The Pacific

[Booze]

It doesn't air over here until Easter, but I've been waiting for this fucker & I was all over it the moment the fastest Quick Draw McNerd uploaded it to EZN.

I thought it was a well solid opener, & all the signs are that we could be set for something as good as Band of Brothers here. And for me, it's got the added bonus of not being peppered with British bit part actors that I semi-recognise from adverts & sitcoms, taking me out of the action every two minutes while I try to figure out where the fuck I know them from.

I'm just gutted that, unlike almost every other Yank drama series I get into, I can't just download the whole season & watch them all in a few sessions. But this looks like one to savour.

Anyone else watch it? The Pacific seems like the ultimate SFJer telly to me. If you asked me how much more SFJ it could be, my answer would be none. None more SFJ.

[moneymaker]

I recorded the first episode and I am looking forward to watching it.

I'll let you in on a secret if you want:

We win!

[Booze]

What the fuck are you waiting for, man? You saving 'em up to watch with your missus for your next wedding anniversary? Lol.

And yes. We did win. High five, buddy.

[moneymaker]

For the divorce to be final or when the last episode airs when 100,000+ gooks get vaporized. I can't wait to see that shit!!

Those were the good ol' days for real.

High five indeed, good buddy! Hell, I'd give you all my points if I had to!

[The BYP]

I've got it recorded too. I hear Brad Pitt intercepts the bombers and thwarts the attack on Pearl Harbor.

[Spooner]

^^Guy Ritchie directed it, too -- Brad Pitt gets in a fight with Robert Downey Jr. -- without shirts ... in a chicken coop.

[Belasco]

I don't care what you fuckers say, that Holmes flick was a pretty decent popcorn movie.

[Verno]

I don't care what you fuckers say, that Holmes flick was a pretty decent popcorn movie.
I agree. It's better than 95% of the other options. And Rachel McAdams was nice eye candy.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

^^Guy Ritchie directed it, too -- Brad Pitt gets in a fight with Robert Downey Jr. -- without shirts ... in a chicken coop.

Then he has a chat with De Niro in a coffee shop and says "I'm Batman". ;-)

[melon]

I recorded the first episode and I am looking forward to watching it.

I'll let you in on a secret if you want:

We win!

Nobody wins in war, MAANNN!

[lelionestmort]

Nobody wins in war, MAANNN!

Except for corporations that provide arms, oil and even mercenaries.
Case in point, when the Japs surrendered and WWII was officially over, the NYSE took a hit. People were no longer going to be building weapons, buying resources or dying and that saddened corporations the world over; who were, whether intentionally or not making money of the death off millions of human beings all over the globe.

I enjoyed The Pacific though, my only complaint was hearing Tom Hanks' voice and the little "history lesson with visual aids!" at the beginning other then that it was great stuff. Plus it's about time Marines (and the Navy) get their due, considering those Jap assholes were the tougher fight. Favorite part had to be when those Marines made the Jap do the hokey pokey on the banks of the river. =D>Whadya do that for?

[Mr. Irrelevant]

You know, I used to think that Tom Hanks was an incredible actor and a cool person. I always knew he was a liberal but he kept his mouth shut about it and didn't use his fame as a platform for shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the world oughta be.... Well that isn't the case with him anymore. He's getting to a point in his life where he feels that he's influential enough and powerful enough that he can make stupid comments and worse, that we have to agree with him.

[lelionestmort]

You know, I used to think that Tom Hanks was an incredible actor and a cool person. I always knew he was a liberal but he kept his mouth shut about it and didn't use his fame as a platform for shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the world oughta be.... Well that isn't the case with him anymore. He's getting to a point in his life where he feels that he's influential enough and powerful enough that he can make stupid comments and worse, that we have to agree with him.

Agree completely Sav! I felt exactly the same way. The comment that put over the line was this one though:

"Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as 'yellow, slant-eyed dogs' that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what's going on today?" WTF Tom Hanks? We wanted to annihilate those yellow jap slant eyed bastards because they FUCKING ATTACKED US! With a declaration of fucking war in the form of surprise attack where jap assholes murdered 2700+ American military personnel (if the war aint declared i consider it murder). And WTF is he talking about "today" Shit! ragheads have got it pretty good. I have yet to see them interned or stripped of their property. In fact, save for a few crazy hateful individuals there were no reprisals. Is there discrimination? Sure but what race, gender, religion and sexuality isn't discriminated against every day in our society?

Way off Tom! Hell the liberals you love in Europe show more bigotry towards Muslims than Americans and lets not pretend like there is not sometimes legitimate reasons or at least mitigating factors for some bigotry. I don't know like the brutal slaying of a dutch filmmaker in the streets of Amsterdam by a muslim. Or the 7/11 bombings in London by muslims. Or the G.I.A. bombings in France again by muslims funny enough. And of course three thousand innocent American citizens murdered by Muslims.

But of course the sword cuts both ways. That's why plenty of Muslims discriminate against Americans and other Westerners for crimes they perceive we have committed against their people.
Why don't you go lecture them Tom, as it is we have a pretty liberal, tolerant society. While they stone women to death for getting raped. Talk to them Tom.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Shit, I gotta go over there and rape some bitches before they change their laws.

[lelionestmort]

Shit, I gotta go over there and rape some bitches before they change their laws.
:rofl: :rofl:
They also stone whities unless they bow to Mecca. Of course you'd also have to give up bacon. So personally it wouldn't be worth it but giving up pork might be good for you Sav.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I'll bow to Mocha if it means some pussy. Oh yeah!

[Spooner]

Did you see that killer part in the Pacific where the Frogs tore it up on Tarawa?


... Oh, wait.

[lelionestmort]

Tarawa was British when the Japanese occupied it, but you can shit on France for Indochina though.

[Spooner]

I think you missed the point, Herve.

However, I hear there's a special at the end of the series on how the Frogs started the Vietnam War, but when the shit got heavy, they went back to Paris for some crepes (& German lessons). So it goes.

[lelionestmort]

WTF are you talking about? John F Kennedy started the Vietnam War to make up for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. If it wasn't for that bullet he took that shit would be around his neck instead of being the Democratic alter boy he is today. The French colonised, exploited and used Indochina, we should've ousted them from all their colonies at the end of World War II. Instead we said "fuck you" to Hochiminh, a guy we had supported in his fight against the Japs and look what happened.

You clearly missed the point. When the government said "we're just helping out the French" that was just another lie like Saddam being part of 9/11 and trying to acquire yellowcake uranium. The French were DONE with Indochina before Dien Bien Phu even, they just needed a body count to justify not sticking around.

There is plenty of legitimate shit to dump on France, the Vietnam is not one of them. That was OUR mess, OUR fuck up, 50,000 dead Americans not to mention those injured and traumatized and it was all for a Vietnam that had essentially died 10 years prior when the French gave up all claim to the region. When the French withdrem their forces 75% of "South Vietnam" partisan forces were executed or imprisonned. By the time we got there their was no longer any will to fight. It was a lost cause. By the way, the French objected the entire time we were there, much like Kennedy had objected to French colonial efforts before he became President.

[Verno]

At what rank in the Armee de Frog do you get your standard issue water pistol and flower? And correction, Lucille Ball started the Vietnam War.

[lelionestmort]

Not a question of rank rather when one becomes a part of the Commado Hubert. Frogmen.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

WTF are you talking about? John F Kennedy started the Vietnam War to make up for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. If it wasn't for that bullet he took that shit would be around his neck instead of being the Democratic alter boy he is today. The French colonised, exploited and used Indochina, we should've ousted them from all their colonies at the end of World War II. Instead we said "fuck you" to Hochiminh, a guy we had supported in his fight against the Japs and look what happened.

You clearly missed the point. When the government said "we're just helping out the French" that was just another lie like Saddam being part of 9/11 and trying to acquire yellowcake uranium. The French were DONE with Indochina before Dien Bien Phu even, they just needed a body count to justify not sticking around.

There is plenty of legitimate shit to dump on France, the Vietnam is not one of them. That was OUR mess, OUR fuck up, 50,000 dead Americans not to mention those injured and traumatized and it was all for a Vietnam that had essentially died 10 years prior when the French gave up all claim to the region. When the French withdrem their forces 75% of "South Vietnam" partisan forces were executed or imprisonned. By the time we got there their was no longer any will to fight. It was a lost cause. By the way, the French objected the entire time we were there, much like Kennedy had objected to French colonial efforts before he became President.

Yeah well... My history book is better than your history book.

[Booze]

Say... has anyone seen this new show called "The Pacific"? I hear it's pretty good.

lol.

[lelionestmort]

Did anyone catch the ad that apparently aired before The Pacific for the new HBO show Boardwalk Empire?
Looks pretty nifty. Plus at 0:36 there are a bunch of Moneymaker's faves ;-) Who doesn't love the 20s?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5fpNXPVG1k

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Say... has anyone seen this new show called "The Pacific"? I hear it's pretty good.

lol.

Does it have David Hasselhoff?

[lelionestmort]

Yeah. He came in on the first wave to Guadalcanal. No doubt on a surfboard.

[Spooner]

WTF are you talking about? John F Kennedy started the Vietnam War to make up for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. If it wasn't for that bullet he took that shit would be around his neck instead of being the Democratic alter boy he is today. The French colonised, exploited and used Indochina, we should've ousted them from all their colonies at the end of World War II. Instead we said "fuck you" to Hochiminh, a guy we had supported in his fight against the Japs and look what happened.

You clearly missed the point. When the government said "we're just helping out the French" that was just another lie like Saddam being part of 9/11 and trying to acquire yellowcake uranium. The French were DONE with Indochina before Dien Bien Phu even, they just needed a body count to justify not sticking around.

There is plenty of legitimate shit to dump on France, the Vietnam is not one of them. That was OUR mess, OUR fuck up, 50,000 dead Americans not to mention those injured and traumatized and it was all for a Vietnam that had essentially died 10 years prior when the French gave up all claim to the region. When the French withdrem their forces 75% of "South Vietnam" partisan forces were executed or imprisonned. By the time we got there their was no longer any will to fight. It was a lost cause. By the way, the French objected the entire time we were there, much like Kennedy had objected to French colonial efforts before he became President.


I love the Frog revisionist history. Flush out yer headgear, new guy. Frogs started that shit, and Maker can prove this on an Etch-a-Sketch.


Did they also teach you that your country isn't filled with cowards, but rather they just invited the Germans in to exchange fatty-food recipes and show you how to surf in Normandy?

[Booze]

Pierre don't surf.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Surfing = water = cleanliness = not French... Case closed. ell-oh-ell

[Spooner]

Pierre don't surf.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Dr. P]

Thanks given, Booze.

[lelionestmort]

I love the Frog revisionist history. Flush out yer headgear, new guy. Frogs started that shit, and Maker can prove this on an Etch-a-Sketch.


Did they also teach you that your country isn't filled with cowards, but rather they just invited the Germans in to exchange fatty-food recipes and show you how to surf in Normandy?

Hah! What a fucking joke. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You can't approach history from a nationalistic point of view, you would never discern anything close to the truth. It is not about me being French or American it is about the facts. Fact: the last time France asked for aid in Indochina from the U.S. was when they were still at war with the Viet Minh before the Geneva Conference in 1954. The earlist American mission that could be included in the scope of the Vietnam War was 5 years later. Your inability to comprehend facts in an effort to attack France for failings on the part of this Nation and the elected leaders of the time is frankly nothing short of pure FAIL. Talk about revisionist history, you could give the Japanese a run for their money. Didn't you hear? Jap textbooks ignore Pearl Harbor just like you ignore the truth behind the reasons why this Nation found itself in Vietnam.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Hey Leon... George Bush started Vietnam motherfucker! George Bush slept with Helen of Troy and started the Trojan war! George Bush took the 30 pieces of silver, hammered Jebus in the back with the cat of nine tails and tossed him up on a cross to die! George Bush made a movie set of "the moon" where the astronauts landed! George Bush killed Hoffa! And George Bush fuckin' saved the Queen, not God! Oh... and HE started Vietnam!!! Vietnam!!!

[Spooner]

Hah! What a fucking joke. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You can't approach history from a nationalistic point of view, you would never discern anything close to the truth. It is not about me being French or American it is about the facts. Fact: the last time France asked for aid in Indochina from the U.S. was when they were still at war with the Viet Minh before the Geneva Conference in 1954. The earlist American mission that could be included in the scope of the Vietnam War was 5 years later. Your inability to comprehend facts in an effort to attack France for failings on the part of this Nation and the elected leaders of the time is frankly nothing short of pure FAIL. Talk about revisionist history, you could give the Japanese a run for their money. Didn't you hear? Jap textbooks ignore Pearl Harbor just like you ignore the truth behind the reasons why this Nation found itself in Vietnam.

Do you even realize that we have earthquakes, floods, & locust plagues because of the Frogs?


Say, don't you have a Jerry Lewis marathon to watch?

[lelionestmort]

lmao lmao lmao
God dammit Sav, I never took you for one those pacific-northwesters. BlameitonBush lib; 10 years of avoiding you guys in San Francisco and I run into to one on SFJ. Fuck. No wonder TBL tried to ignore you.

No Jerry Lewis for me Spooner, no Cable and frankly I'm too American to stand the guy. As for the earthquakes, didn't you hear Pat Robertson? That shit is because of Haiti wanting to get rid of the Frogs. I'm sure 1000 more earthquakes and it would still be worth being Frog free :up:
Shit I know France is glad to be rid of it.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

You being conceived was DEFINITELY Bush's fault.

[lelionestmort]

You being conceived was DEFINITELY Bush's fault.

that was funny.

[Spooner]

Indochina. :roll: ... All *that* took to get you Frogs out of Indochina was a nigger popped out of a bowl of rice and put a cap in the frogs' asses. I can't confirm it, but it is rumored.

[lelionestmort]

Shitting on France for failing in Indochina is kind of ironic don't you think? Look at all the resources we spent on South-East Asia and the United States were still defeated. That was a struggle for national independance, if anything we should have helped the Vietnamese fight the French or granted them independance after the Second World War.

[Spooner]

Did you know that "gullible" isn't actually in the English dictionary?








Brush up on your Pulp Fiction, Pierre.



By the way, how do you stop a French tank?
Say, "Boo."

[lelionestmort]

I've been meaning to see that. I'll download it post haste.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Shitting on France for failing in Indochina is kind of ironic don't you think? Look at all the resources we spent on South-East Asia and the United States were still defeated. That was a struggle for national independance, if anything we should have helped the Vietnamese fight the French or granted them independance after the Second World War.

That statement just confirms how much you don't know about the events leading up to Vietnam. In fact, we were NOT defeated in Vietnam from a military perspective. We lost the PR war; and let's face it, if wars were won and lost because of good PR vs. bad PR, we would have "lost" every war we had a part in, save the American Revolution and WWII. Fact number 2... We did support the Vietmanese against the French... We had political advisors and CIA operatives in the country for years leading up to the French pulling out of the area. They even met with the leadership to discuss various political ramifications, etc.

[Spooner]

So, Sav ... does this mean Ann Margaret *won't* be coming?

[lelionestmort]

That statement just confirms how much you don't know about the events leading up to Vietnam. In fact, we were NOT defeated in Vietnam from a military perspective. We lost the PR war; and let's face it, if wars were won and lost because of good PR vs. bad PR, we would have "lost" every war we had a part in, save the American Revolution and WWII. Fact number 2... We did support the Vietmanese against the French... We had political advisors and CIA operatives in the country for years leading up to the French pulling out of the area. They even met with the leadership to discuss various political ramifications, etc.

Sorry to burst your bubble Sav but I never said we were defeated from a military perspective what you quoted is proof of that and for that matter neither were the French in Indochina or Algeria. The fact is we lost the WILL to win the war because winning the war would have meant pissing on every thing this Country says it believes in. That is the same reason why De Gaulle ceased military operations in Algeria because he knew winning that war would be a violation of supposed French ideals. This country like all mighty powers could have won the war but at what cost? We also could have turned Iraq into a parking lot.

As for those "advisers", they were there learning from the French on counterinsurgency tactics (quelle horreur Americans learning military matters from French people :shock:) and if you mean helping the Viets I suppose you mean the pro Western faux president that we were counting on to resist the "evil communists" give me a break. Training soldiers that no longer believed in this "cause" but rather hated to see another (what they perceived as an imperialist power) on their shores. The United States only offered aid to Hochiminh when he was fighting the Japs then we (wrongly) relegated that country back to France and when they finally did achieve independence we screwed them over. Case in point name me one time we supported the Viet Minh or any other rebel faction with material supplies or financial aid.

Believe me, I do understand what lead up to our involvement. And we were DEFEATED, don't think for a second we weren't. We were defeated the moment we set foot in that jungle. We were defeated the moment we betrayed the ideals that lead this Nation to free the World from tyranny. We had an opportunity to set the World right with the fall of France and the drastic decline of Great Britain. We could have freed their colonies, instead we allowed our "allies" to retain control of territories that we had helped free. And for what? Brushfire Wars! The fact of the matter is, no matter how you dress it up this Country was wrong with it's expedition to South-East Asia, if we had been on the side of the "rebels" we could have stopped the radicalization of many parts of the World. I'm hardly a peacenik but Kennedy knew Vietnam was un-winnable, that's why in my mind his crime was so severe. He needed to stop the perceived "domino effect" even though he had known from the start of that tragic and ultimately pointless affair that there would be no end in sight. And yet three days before he died he committed another 1,600+ troops to Vietnam.

You guys can all keep on saying how uniformed I am and how I don't anything or that I'm French or just "a dumb kid". But I know what I'm talking about.

[Booze]

This would be a good time for Taco to finally post a picture of her tits.

[The BYP]

lmao lmao lmao lmao x thenumberoflettersinfroglionspost

[moneymaker]

Best. Thread. Ever.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

sorry to burst your bubble sav but i never said we were defeated from a military perspective what you quoted is proof of that and for that matter neither were the french in indochina or algeria. The fact is we lost the will to win the war because winning the war would have meant pissing on every thing this country says it believes in. That is the same reason why de gaulle ceased military operations in algeria because he knew winning that war would be a violation of supposed french ideals. This country like all mighty powers could have won the war but at what cost? We also could have turned iraq into a parking lot.

As for those "advisers", they were there learning from the french on counterinsurgency tactics (quelle horreur americans learning military matters from french people :shock:) and if you mean helping the viets i suppose you mean the pro western faux president that we were counting on to resist the "evil communists" give me a break. Training soldiers that no longer believed in this "cause" but rather hated to see another (what they perceived as an imperialist power) on their shores. The united states only offered aid to hochiminh when he was fighting the japs then we (wrongly) relegated that country back to france and when they finally did achieve independence we screwed them over. Case in point name me one time we supported the viet minh or any other rebel faction with material supplies or financial aid.

Believe me, i do understand what lead up to our involvement. And we were defeated, don't think for a second we weren't. We were defeated the moment we set foot in that jungle. We were defeated the moment we betrayed the ideals that lead this nation to free the world from tyranny. We had an opportunity to set the world right with the fall of france and the drastic decline of great britain. We could have freed their colonies, instead we allowed our "allies" to retain control of territories that we had helped free. And for what? Brushfire wars! The fact of the matter is, no matter how you dress it up this country was wrong with it's expedition to south-east asia, if we had been on the side of the "rebels" we could have stopped the radicalization of many parts of the world. I'm hardly a peacenik but kennedy knew vietnam was un-winnable, that's why in my mind his crime was so severe. He needed to stop the perceived "domino effect" even though he had known from the start of that tragic and ultimately pointless affair that there would be no end in sight. And yet three days before he died he committed another 1,600+ troops to vietnam.

You guys can all keep on saying how uniformed i am and how i don't anything or that i'm french or just "a dumb kid". But i know what i'm talking about.

Fail!

[Dr. P]

Seriously Dead Lion, I've got abortions older than you. 'nam was fucked up, we get it. Let's agree to just blame things on the French.

Back to the subject at hand, I DL'ed a Blu-Ray of The Pacific and just finished it. I give it a fuckin' solid A. Great go dam miniseries so far. I liked it better than all but two or three movies I saw last year.

[lelionestmort]

Which movies?

[Dr. P]

Basterds, Moon, Food Inc. and The Cove. But all are really fuckin' different.

[Spooner]

LilyTomlinsmort can't relate to your movie references, Russ. Try to compare it to, maybe, The Bellboy, Who's Minding the Store, or The Errand Boy. Somethin' he can get his head around.

[Dr. P]

Anyone else find episode 2 to be a bit of a let down? I fuckin' LOVED some aspects of it, especially the fire fights, but when credits rolled wasn't as pumped as ep. 1.

[lelionestmort]

Yeah, I could follow it cause I'm kinda a Marine Corps geek but a few of my friends could not really get in the flow. Especially with all the night combat scenes, but the episode was really meant to showcase Basilone's actions, still considered one of the #1 Marines for his actions on Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. Can't wait to watch last night's ep.

[Dr. P]

I re-watched ep. 2 last night after my post. It's still better than anything on TV, I think I had too high of hopes. It's was still quite solid.

[moneymaker]

I'm kinda a Marine Corps geek

The Marine Corps Chief of Staff is still against cock suckers of the male perversion from serving in his beloved Corps. You might have to consider the Navy.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

In the Naaavy, you can suck off other guys.... In the Naaaavy, they'll bust a nut in your eye... In the Naaaavy, in the Naaavy.

[Dr. P]

Man, Part 3 SUCKED! Nothin' but character build up and Yanks bangin' Aussie broads. F-

[Dr. P]

Part 3 was the only hiccup in the series so far. Just finished ep. 6, and it was even better than four. This is a can't miss TV show that will only take a few hours of you life. Catch it. It's really that good.

[Verno]

I'm watching 4 now. So far I agree that it's where the show takes off. Although I kinda liked episode 3 despite there being no action. This shows almost as good as The Hurt Locker. lol

[Dr. P]

why you sonofabitch

[Booze]

Wait until you get to ep 6. It definitely makes up for episode 3, I tell you what.

[Verno]

Episodes 6 and 7 have been awesome. I love the cutting-the-gold-out-of-the-Japs'-teeth crazy bastard Shelton. I even like "Sledgehammer", even though he was annoying as fuck in Jurassic Park.

I want a flamethrower.

[The BYP]

Just finished ep 7. Fucking intense shit happening.

[Heap]

I just canceled HBO ('cuz I'm cheap, lol) and haven't seen an episode yet. Fuck that!

[lelionestmort]

damn. even when you know it's coming it still hits you. It's a shame that there are only two episodes left, especially since the show has just started to pick up. I find it strange that Basilone didn't a second Medal of Honor for is his actions on Iwo.