Stereo / PC / MP3 / Home Audio Gear

[Spooner]

Hell, I couldn't find a thread just for talking speakers, amps, preamps; PC speakers, iPod blasters/speakers, home theater sound, etc., so here it is.

I wanted to get some opinions on PC-based 5.1 (THX-certified) PC speakers. I'm doing a lot of editing lately, and needed something DECENT and separate just for computer audio output.

I wound up with these (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/224&cl=us,en) for the price (go to its Image Gallery to scope 'em). Logitech's Z5500. Solid reviews everywhere I looked (but I got a great deal at Amazon) and with a program called "Hear" (for Mac) you control all aspects of the source sound coming from your sound card. Great combo. Lovin' the pure digital DTS/THX and Digital Dubbly. 505 watts. Not bad for a PC setup if y'ask me. :tip:

Anyone here have any good 5.1 setups for their home PC (or even iPod audio setup?).

Discuss.

[Dr. P]

I got a little Boston Acoustics set up a few years back, but it's overpriced shit. Just to clear desk space, I went with the 2:1 set that came with my new (at the time) Dell. I can't even tell a difference on most stuff. Mercury Rev and shit that is real layered is barely different, but not much else.

[Spooner]

Some people are cool with that (and I've seen those two-channel--basic stereo) iPod "blasters," --and for basic listening at the PC, those are doable. Hell, I've been stuck with a set of Logi 2.1's for way too long, and my hellacious gear that I play tubs to is all upstairs and used for DVD flicks, etc.

BUT, for in the home office, when you hear a good digital mix across a 5.1 with the right settings (and the schweet "Hear" mixer)... oh, it's another dimension altogether.

It's always the sub what suffers most in these rigs, but that's to be expected. Long as you don't overdrive it, you usually won't hear any claps or pops instead of kick drums. With flicks, yeah, it's another story and investing in a good sub (by itself) is worth it (but only for audio-choads). My dolly is NOT an audio choad, but she has to learn that this is one thing I'm NOT giving up as a result of marriage. You give up enough as it is, blee'me.

[the deta]

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[Jdiggity Dee]

Spooon, depending on the kind of editing you are doing wouldn't you be better off with a set of "monitor speakers'' so the sound levels would be identical on your final working version (on the computer) and once burned when they're played on audio or tv. having the speakers equalize themselves while you are working gives you less accurate feedback on how the final product may sound. Maybe that software or some setting can obviate that worry. Sorry if this is off topic.:tip:

[Spooner]

This is video editing (not audio engineering), but almost everything's mixed in 5.1 these days. Unless someone had shit neighbors or if I were working in just simple stereo, I wouldn't want cans on my head for love or money (I've got a nice set for my digital tubs, but no, I wouldn't wanna try to *mix* anything into 5.1 with headphones on unless I had no other choice). :tip:

[TheWagesofSin]

I've noticed the battery on my lil' Zen V Plus player is starting to wear down, so I'm gonna start saving for another mp3/video player now. I gotta say, I was looking over the specs of the 32GB Ipod Touch and it got me salivating. Anyone here have one? Maybe the 8GB or 16 GB models? Is it worth the considerable chunk of change they're charging?

[melon]

Have you considered the iPod classic? It's not as snazzy as the touch ones but you can't beat the capacity they offer for the price ( 80 GB for $250). Right now I use the Ipod video 30 GB for over a year and that thing is very durable.

[TheWagesofSin]

Yeah, I guess buying the Classic would be the sensible thing to do, but the Touch gives me a boner. You can get on the internet with it and shit. And it looks cool...yeah, I'm a sucker, I know.

[Belasco]

I'm going through this dilemma too, Wedge. My 4G monochrome screen iPod battery isn't holding a charge like it used to. There are advantages/disadvantages to both.

With the iPod Touch, you've got a Flash drive which means that it'll probably last longer since there isn't a spinning hard drive in it. The battery will last longer too. However, it's a bigger temptation for theft since it looks like an iPhone and it's probably more fragile with that touch screen and all.

The classic has all that space which is great. I have a lot of music (most of which I never listen to) and tons of podcast media and audiobooks. The space comes in handy there, but it's still a spinning hard drive and Russy can tell you about how flakey that can be.

I could get away with a 16GB Touch - that's about how much is on my current device, but it also doesn't play video. I know I'd want to put some video on there which pushes me toward the 32GB for way more money. I'm leaning toward the Classic for just that reason unless the price comes down on the Touch soon.

[the deta]

I have a few friends with a touch. They are sweet. The built in wifi and internet browser are sweet. And the touch screen interface is very cool. When my ipod shits i will most likely get an ipod touch. However if i lived in a place where i needed a cell phone, I would probably just Go for the iphone.

[TheWagesofSin]

With the iPod Touch, you've got a Flash drive which means that it'll probably last longer since there isn't a spinning hard drive in it. The battery will last longer too. However, it's a bigger temptation for theft since it looks like an iPhone and it's probably more fragile with that touch screen and all.

I'm leaning toward the Classic...unless the price comes down on the Touch soon.


Yeah, the flash drive is a HUGE selling point for me, 'Lasco.

I checked the refurbs at the Apple store and they sure don't give you much of a discount. It would be nice if the prices came down on these a little.

[Belasco]

Note to self: Let Waggons proofread my wordy-ass posts.

[TheWagesofSin]

Nah, it ain't like that. Besides, Sav Tolstoy's epic posts make yours seem brief.

:score:





Y'know, we really are living in the future. I mean, when I was a kid, I'd think to myself "I wonder what kind of cool Buck Rogers shit we'll have in 2010." If I'd been handed an iPhone in 1986 it would've blown my fucking mind.

[the deta]

Indeed. I was in the store the other day and walked past the CDs and saw one of these......

http://images.tigerdirect.ca/skuimages/large/F180-4140-main.pg.jpg


And thought "What a primative means of music storage, and what a primative means to carry said storage!"

[melon]

lma lmao lmao lmao

[TheWagesofSin]

"What a primative means of music storage, and what a primative means to carry said storage!"



...and a lot harder to steal. lol.

[Spooner]

lmao lmao lmao lmao about the last few posts.

Wedge, it's REALLY simple: If the Touch gives you boner (lol), then there's no way around it. I mean, I'm a Vision Zen:W cat all the way, but the Touch (on top of all the cool functions 'Lasco pointed out) is just THAT 'imp (<--so pimp, you can't even pronounce the p). Unless they FULLY/EQUALLY warranty that bitch, I wouldn't touch a refurb, though. Get the Touch, nigra. You'll be happier for it after that next paycheck comes and your finances are fully buffered from the outlay (that's the way it always goes).

BTW, I finally bought/ran some optic audio cable between my Mac Pro and the Logitech 5.1's what began the thread. "By all means, go with the optical... it's soooo choice."

[Belasco]

Spoon makes a good point... and it may land you a better chance of getting laid by some superficial L.A. uber-hottie.

[Verno]

I'm visiting family this week, and they all go to bed at 8:00 and we have the shittiest cable down here and no Internet, so the ole iPhone has been a lifesaver. I'm posting now from it, and just watched 3 episodes of The Office on it. I also have tons of music and podcasts loaded on here. If only you could access iTunes over-the-air I'd be solid. Can't recommend this thing enough.

[Spooner]

Verno, please PM me when (a) the 2.0 update comes out, and (b) what prep we need to do to our "Installer" situation to allow the update to come down without crashing our contacts, etc.

I know it's a favor, but I wouldn't know what the fuck I'm doing on this thing w/out yer sage guidance and advice. :tip:!

[Booze]

Indeed. I was in the store the other day and walked past the CDs and saw one of these......

http://images.tigerdirect.ca/skuimages/large/F180-4140-main.pg.jpg


And thought "What a primative means of music storage, and what a primative means to carry said storage!"

And then you thought "What a deal!!!"

[TheWagesofSin]

^A delayed lmao for the comment above.


I've been researching. Archos makes a device that seems really bitchin', and I thought it was a great deal for a 30 GB, touch-screen, mac-compatible device at around $300. Unfortunately, you have to buy about $100 worth of plug-ins to do basic shit like web browsing and video watchin'. I don't like that business model, and won't support a company that trucks that sort of horseshit.

I keep looking at that 32GB Ipod Touch, and I keep cringing at the $500 they want for it, but I'm like a South Dakota businessman at the Playboy Mansion...

...Christ, if they'd just come down a couple of bucks... I can afford that pricetag (barely). I just gotta justify that crazy expenditure of my hard-earned dollars for what amounts to a really fun toy...

[Spooner]

Wedge, ask yourself if "touching" the friggin' screen is really worth that much cash to you. And, the internet part ONLY works if you're faggin' out at a Starbucks that has "free" wi-fi; that shit doesn't come down through cellular lines.

Definitely investigate ALL the Creative products (30GB is MORE than enough for anyone--for both audio AND video--trust me), and they come in all kinds of shapes and sizes with different features. I'm a big fan of tactile buttons when comes to mp3 players (you're crashing out; the thing's under your pillow; you're just about to fall asleep and need to turn down the volume; with the Touch, you need to pull it out, LOOK AT IT, hit a button, and THEN lower the volume). These is important considerations. :tip:

[TheWagesofSin]

What you're saying makes 100% sense. I spend enough time on the computer already, and I'm not the type to sit around fagging it up at Starbucks (I'm proud to say I've never used my laptop ONCE in a coffee shop). I don't need wifi capability, and I don't need a touchscreen- it's definitely just the "neato keeno" factor kicking in there.

I would probably just buy an Ipod classic, but I'm hoping to get something with a flash drive. I'm now leaning towards the 30GB Zen Vision:W at about $300. :tip:

[Spooner]

Ask Booze 'bout his, but I've got prolly about 2,000 hours on mine already and it's just like new. :tip: Favorite tech gadget I've ever bought.

[TheWagesofSin]

I thought I'd mention that I bought the 80 GB Ipod Classic a couple of weeks ago.

The 32 GB flash-drive Zen was the only other one I was considering; the Vision:W is no longer in production, and besides, it seemed a bit oversized for my needs.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the 32 GB Zen on the shelf ANYWHERE in town, and my general impatience led to me say "fuggit". I booked it over to the Best Buy and got the iPod.

Now, I love the capacity of this thing- I've been uploading and downloading video and audio like a maniac for two weeks and still have 50+ GBs left. The screen is a good size and video looks great; no complaint there. The "coverflow" thing where you can flip through album art is awesome.

Still...I have 2 problems with the iPod classic-one minor, one major:

1. (minor) no bookmark feature. I have to convert long-format files like radio shows to audiobook format if I want to pick up where I left off.

2. (major) the sound quality for mp3 files is lousy! My dinky Zen V Plus had far superior sound quality for the same exact files...the iPod sounds muddy, and the so-called "EQ" feature only means you can select pre-programmed settings that usually make the problem worse...you get different sounds, but not the RIGHT sound, and there are no equalizers or any of that kinda shit, which basically sucks.



As is the case with most Apple products, the "feel" of the product is great, and the way it's designed is appealing...but ultimately, the audio quality is shit, and that's unforgivable. Hopefully this thing will last a couple of years until the cost of flash drives comes down a bit, and I'll be able to get a Creative player at a lower price than where it's at now.

[Spooner]

I can assure you of two things, Wedge: (1) It ain't the player itself causing your identical mp3's to sound shitty. (2) It's a combination of your headphones (look for good range in frequency) and as a rule of thumb, *never* use any lousy presets on an EQ. All EQ's should let you manually set your shit, and depending on your taste (I like a curve where it's even on the lows, veers up to curve at the mids, then slightly down towards the highs---*basically*), tweak it where it needs tweakin'--the more frequencies to adjust, the better, obviously.

Just get a good set of phones and keep fucking with your EQ till your shit sounds good. It *definitely* ain't the player, so don't panic on that one.

**Oh, and don't ever settle for anything less than 256kbps if you can help it. Even 160 don't cut it by today's standards. Shit, these players better start supporting .flac soon, too!

[TheWagesofSin]

I*never* use any lousy presets on an EQ. All EQ's should let you manually set your shit, and depending on your taste (I like a curve where it's even on the lows, veers up to curve at the mids, then slightly down towards the highs---*basically*), tweak it where it needs tweakin'--the more frequencies to adjust, the better, obviously.


Dude, that's exactly my point- it sez "EQ" but you CAN'T manually change the settings. It's merely a menu of "lousy presets" and nothing more... that's my problem with it. And I hear you on the earphones thing-I know that makes a BIG difference- but I've got a range of 'phones going from cheap to semi-expensive, and using a range of them is showing me that you can't ever really polish a turd.

:tip:

[Belasco]

Hey, Wedge, it's easy to bookmark your files with iTunes.

http://www.sweetfeatheryjesus.net/images/bookmark.png

[Dr. P]

Dude, you listen to Nigger Fucker too!?

[Spooner]

Whoa, Wedge! It was late when I read yer shit and posted. You really fucking tellin' me that you dropped close to (if not MORE THAN) three bills on a fucking pod and it won't let you control your own EQ settings, no way no how?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, Diddy and other Apple loyalists, but I'd take that shit back right away, Wedge. Get something you can at least control the EQ on. That's some pretty upsetting news.

[TheWagesofSin]

Yeah, I probably should have gone with this (http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/creative-zen-32gb/4505-6490_7-32853777.html) one.

The iPod is still pretty cool... I'll just keep it until the hard drive takes the inevitable shit.

[The BYP]

Just bought me a new pc w/blu ray. Picked up dese, they're pretty good speakers.

http://www.cybertheater.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bose-companion-5.jpg

[Belasco]

I think you can create custom EQ mixes in iTunes that will transfer to the iPod.

[Spooner]

^^Nice, B.Y.

'Lasco, zat true? If so, that's some schweet ingenuity. Well, making the EQ manually editable to begin with woulda been schweet, but if something makes it possible, HedWedge's problems are solved.

:tip:

[Taco Teo]

I have the 30 GB Creative Zen Vision: M and I like it. My only complaint would be that it is kind of bulky.

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/creative-zen-vision-m/4505-6490_7-31632696.html?tag=prod.txt.8

[Belasco]

I thought custom EQ settings could be transferred. Now I'm not so sure. Research is required - I'll look into it later.

[Dr. P]

Well, making the EQ manually editable to begin with woulda been schweet, but if something makes it possible, HedWedge's problems are solved.

:tip:

lmao lmao lmao
I wish I had thought of that!

[Spooner]

We all bust balls here, but I have ta admit, Wedge really <cough> "manned up" by admitting THAT lulu. I give him credit for comin' correct in that thread, but yeah, we're all gonna take a little heat for our harsh ones. No doubt. I honestly didn't think my Mamma Mia!/ABBA obsession could be out-shamed. ;-)

[TheWagesofSin]

HedWedge

lmao lmao

I think it's a funny movie...okay, so it's also the faggiest movie ever made...I'm man enough to accept the slings and arrows for my admission. What's one more embarrassing self-revelation on SFJ?


I thought custom EQ settings could be transferred. Now I'm not so sure. Research is required - I'll look into it later.

My internet research came up with zip, 'Lasco. Unfortunately. :down:

[Belasco]

My internet research came up with zip, 'Lasco. Unfortunately. :down:

Sorry about that, man. I should look before I speak.

I don't trust my ear enough to personalize my EQ settings which is why I rarely ever use EQ on my personal devices. I figure the engineer/artist mixed it a certain way, so I'll go with that.

[Spooner]

Since yer a Genesis fan, 'Lasco, here's a PERFECT cut to use to really see how bad a bad EQ can be. The original recording of "Keep It Dark" -- get it in .flac and then get a totally different 160 or 256. Turn your volume up loudly and use *any* preset EQ on iTunes (and get ready to change them as the verses go on. (Well, use VLC for the .flac file... OR get a nice 320kbps instead.)

There's so much compression in the way Tony Banks's & Phil Collins's come in after the intro breaks open that you'll think you blew ALL your speakers. I don't know what the fuck it IS with that one mix, but it'll sure force you to adjust your lows, mids, and highs wildly to keep from shoving knitting needles in your eardrums.

Give it a go, but it has to be THAT song. :tip:

[Booze]

I have the 30 GB Creative Zen Vision: M and I like it. My only complaint would be that it is kind of bulky.

http://reviews.cnet.com/mp3-players/creative-zen-vision-m/4505-6490_7-31632696.html?tag=prod.txt.8

That is a jerry-built piece of crap, & so far away from the build quality of the :W that it must have been put together by different foreigners in a different, cheaper place. I had one, & those front plastic buttons & the volume paddle farked up after 5 minutes, leading me to the hardcore, tank-like :W

Whoever recommended that to you was an arse, & should buy you a new one, if you ask me.

[Spooner]

I think Dogbert & Beans should both kick in. Just because.

[PeggyLove]

I think Dogbert & Beans should both kick in. Just because.

Like this?

http://home.mchsi.com/~beyondbelief/25.jpg

[the deta]

Marge, please open up more about you porno interests.

[TheWagesofSin]

Like this?

http://home.mchsi.com/~beyondbelief/25.jpg

I don't get it

[Booze]

Marge, please open up more about you porno interests.

I think she just did.

[the deta]

fuck.

[Dr. P]

Ed! Dude, what the f is goin' on?

[the deta]

Actually i am going to bed. I know its early, but i need some sleep.

[Taco Teo]

That is a jerry-built piece of crap, & so far away from the build quality of the :W that it must have been put together by different foreigners in a different, cheaper place. I had one, & those front plastic buttons & the volume paddle farked up after 5 minutes, leading me to the hardcore, tank-like :W

Whoever recommended that to you was an arse, & should buy you a new one, if you ask me.

Ohhhh...just for that, I'm putting my little ear buds in and cranking up the Nickelback tunes. (Yes, yet another guilty pleasure of mine!)

[Belasco]

Wedge and ed no longer have the gayest guilty pleasures!

[PeggyLove]

okay, now i'm confused!

[Taco Teo]

I know, I know. It pains me to say I even went to a concert they were involved in a few years ago. You will never let me come back to Austin, will you? HAHA!

[melon]

You a chick, so it's okay to like Nickelback.

[TheWagesofSin]

The downside of my "guilty pleasures" confession is that I can never make fun of anyone's shitty taste ever again.


And god, is Nickleback shitty. :poke: Just messin'

[Taco Teo]

Thanks, Melon.

Wages...:rofl:

[Spooner]

So as I mentioned somewhere, we shitcanned DirecTV (ancient, shitty equipment and no 1080p HD signal) and went with Dish's Turbo HD package, right. So, the choadster shows up at the install with the digital gear (for *digital* HiDef TV) and doesn't bring a goddamn HDMI cable. :roll:

Long story short, unless you can wait awhile and chance some online order, I had a credit at WorstBuy and get this: for a fucking 3' HDMI cable (THREE - FUCKING - FEET), they thought they were gonna get fiddy fish for it!! I said, "FUCK off." The hot ticket was simply to go over to the XBox accessories section and you get the following for $40-something: An HDMI splitter (with a switch) and a free bonus HDMI cable for even less money. That was the ticket for sure.

It's truly surreal watching the :bowl:ympics and Nat'l Geo, Discovery, History, Travel, ESPN, etc., in kick-ass HDTV. I'm 100% sold on this techmology. Couldn't go w/out it now. What else is phat is that you can slap in a cheap drive into the receiver's second bay and you've then got a full terabyte of recordable space for massive HD recordings. Fuck DirecTV!! (I can live w/out the NFL ticket since my team is broadcast locally 85% of the season as it is).

:tip:

[melon]

They make a killing off of those HDMI cables. Monster CAble my ass. www.monoprice.com has really good and cheap cables and Home theater equipment. I recently purchased a wall mounting bracket for $35.00 inc. shipping.

[Dr. P]

Monster Cables are bullshit. Damn right, Melon.

[Belasco]

Any kind of "premium" audio/video cable is complete horseshit especially if it's digital.

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?p=155

[Spooner]

You guys aren't kiddin'. 19 pins are 19 pins, and when I hear about "insulation" variables (unless someone makes a cable out of sewing string), I just walk the other way.

Melon, *that* was the site that was eluding me! That's one of the only places you can get 4-way HDMI splitters that fucking WORK. Good call.

:tip:

[Belasco]

You know those iPhone price drops that hit a few weeks ago - they may be coming to the iPod soon.


http://www.macrumors.com/2008/08/22/new-ipod-nano-ipod-touch-itunes-8-0-blu-ray-in-10-6/

Digg.com's Kevin Rose has posted a new blog entry and YouTube video claiming to have knowledge of upcoming iPod updates with a significant number of details:

- Revamp of entire iPod line.
- Small cosmetic changes to Touch, Nano to see significant redesign (see above)
- iPods to see fairly large price drops to distance itself from the $199 iPhone.
- iPod touch 2.1 software, iPhone to get update very soon after.
- iTunes 8.0 ("it's a big update w/new features").
- All of this coming in the next 2-3 weeks.
- Blu-Ray support coming in Mac OS X 10.5.6

[mysticllama]

I wish someone reliable would talk to my dad about cables and audio gear. He keeps getting systems/speakers that aren't really meant for home use (so meant to be played hugely loud in clubs/at gigs) and then getting disappointed with them, selling them, and taking a loss.

He seems to be the guy who just figures that if something's popular (whether it's audio gear, music, or movies) and magazines hype it up, it must be good.

Any actual GOOD audio (or music!) magazines that aren't full of shit that maybe I could recommend innocently to him?

[Spooner]

I've gone through a few wifi routers in my time, and for various reasons, I've settled (finally) on this Belkin one because it worked best with my XBox.

Anyway, living in a multi-level house, this thing is a pile of shit and barely broadcasts upstairs or in my bedroom. I've read every DIY hack for extending the range of your wifi, and most of 'em look like Beans came up with the ideas while on his Thorazine (on many of his "days off").

That said, any of you guys know of either a good repeater I could get/use, or do you know if simply taking, say, my old Netgear wifi router and plugging into my 4-port switch upstairs (and then configuring it to match my main Belkin settings) would work as an extender?

Any recommendations on EQ short of Pringles cans, parabolas made of foil, and taking apart my existing antennas and using a McDonald's straw and a drywall screw would be appreciated.

It's *range* not *direction* I needs. :tip:

[Heap]

I milked the Internet off my neighbor's in my old place with a Belkin wireless repeater, if thass whatchyoo talkin' bout. I didn't game with it, but it did the trick for what I needed at the time.

[Jdiggity Dee]

Is your router using wifi/n versus the other wifi/g or somesuch. The range of the newer 'n' is much greater and in my dad's house the earlier model wouldn't go through multiple walls to get to the far end of the house so I switched routers (he need more ethernet plugs anyhoo) for the newest apple airport and the signal strength is much greater and it works well anywhere in the house.

[Verno]

To do it, you would have to flash your old router with some new firmware. The DD-WRT (http://lifehacker.com/software/how-to/turn-your-wifi-router-into-a-repeater-265142.php) open source firmware can make it happen, but from what I hear it's kinda hectic. May be worth your time just to invest in a wireless repeater.

[The BYP]

Wireless "N" is what I have (linksys) My router is on the other side of the house and I get full bars in me bedroom (about 60 feet)

[Spooner]

To do it, you would have to flash your old router with some new firmware. The DD-WRT (http://lifehacker.com/software/how-to/turn-your-wifi-router-into-a-repeater-265142.php) open source firmware can make it happen, but from what I hear it's kinda hectic. May be worth your time just to invest in a wireless repeater.

Yeah, my Belkin is NOT on the compatibility list (I saw that site earlier today). They say 74?? and lower, and mine's a 7900.

To be honest, I'm probably just going to buy a new router. I didn't pay TOO much for this pile, so what's the ONE SPEC I need to be cognizant of when buying (the new this or that techmology) that makes these newfangled routers broadcast well through walls and ceilings of a house?

I'm gonna get one very soon then. :tip:!!! Thanks, kids. :up:

[The BYP]

Wireless N would be my best bet.

[Spooner]

Okay, so "N" is the magic techmology word, then? Right on.

[Spooner]

Well, I've been taking a lot of this iPod vs. Zune vs. Zen mp3 player talk very seriously and doing a lot of research (and getting some good tips from one of our most revered members).

Anyway, it came down to this today: Spooner needs LOTS of giggage if he's gonna carry even 3/4's of his mp3 stash around in his ride. The iPod/iTouch's gigage-to-$$$ ratio is just over the top--not even debatable. My beloved Zen Vision: W (30GB) is PURELY for under my pillow and lulls me to sleep each night packed to the gills with killer-ass audiobooks, Skeptoid shit, and sundry podcasts.

So, said member talked me into the 120GB Zune (the BRAND-SPANKIN'-NEW one what just came out). The reason I returned my FIRST Zune the same night was because the software was SO fucking hideous, I almost spit at my screen (it wasn't even designed BY MS--they licensed it off some gook at a flea market in Bangkok). BUT, the NEW ones have NEW SOFTWARE that's supposed to be the bomb--light years better than the former. So, I also picked up the charger and FM transmitter 'cause "I'm goin' MO-BILE... KEEP ME MOVIN'... OVER 60... IN THE 15MPH SOCCER-MOM STREETS..." ...I think those were Daltry's lyrics.

So, I'll update you choads on my success (or failure) and all the pros and cons. The 120 gigs was the primary priority, so... we'll see.

/rant

[Dr. P]

I can't wait. I need a new MP3 player pretty soon. Still leaning Ipod for now.

[Booze]

Let me know how that works out, Bill. I've got to say, the Zen:W is still impressing me big time. And my old 60GB Zen Xtra is still working, 5 years down the line. But my Vision:M experience almost put me off Creative for good, before you mercy dashed that :W over the pond. Fuck knows who they farmed that piece of crap :M out to, but the build quality was fucking terrible.

[Spooner]

Bottom line: 120GB vs. $-per-gig, and there's no Zen that can hold all my MUSIC stash for that price w/them features. The new software is WAY better than the first shitty one. DJ walked me through a TON of schweet shit on this thing, and the best part is crisp, clean album art on every record as it plays, with amazing organizational options and schweet in-car controls.

I just don't wanna touch a screen w/my finger and try to scroll a virtual bar across a 2" span to advance through a song--fuck that. The Zen line? Nothing beats it for audiobooks and video (for my home and travel use). Yeah, I still fucking hate Microsoft, though. I really do. I just spent four hours unfucking my dolly's Dell that had Vista FORCED into it!!

[mysticllama]

I'm curious what you think about the new Zune too after you've used it a bit. I have an older Zune and I do really like it, but with 1.something GB left and me expanding my music collection like a ferret seeing shiny things all over - I'm gonna need more space at some point. =(


Edit: So frustrating!

Steve got a 160GB Zune today, and the software will not complete instillation on Vista with the error code of:

ZUNE Installation Error 0x80070643

We tried Unzoone (available from remove-it.org - which deleted a ton of crap that no uninstaller for Zune touched)

We tried the Windows 'omg the instillation broke part way through and left orphan files' uninstall helper software (I can't find the link, if you search microsoft.com for the error code, a help walkthrough will appear with a link to the current version)

We tried deleting the zune directory. Ditto @ the temp dir.

We tried the regedit to avoid rollbacks (as detailed here: http://mitrforall.googlepages.com/zunetec73)

We read and followed the official microsoft procedure to the letter to get the software uninstalled and reinstalled completely.

What finally worked is turning on the damn firewall temporarily. That's the last change we made and it fixed it under Vista. (The firewall service under Vista requires that both the Security Center and the Base Filtering Engine services be on as well)

Recording this for posterity in case it comes up in a websearch or if someone here gets the headache of this happening to them.

[Spooner]

First of all, I didn't even think Zune MADE a 160GB; I thought the new 120 was the max. Secondly, and remember, I was an MCSE in the late Nineties, and was an IT guy basically since I was 16 onwards (quit in 2000 and never looked back). VISTA FUCKING SUCKS, IMO!!! I know *some* here like it (and good ON them), but I spent hours Friday unfucking my wife's Inspirion with Vista shoehorned onto it, and it was running LEAN, too!! I had to use the Recovery function and I ain't putting SHIT on that other than Office. I may have try my Zune warez, too, but if that fucks up, I just never wanna hear Vista again.

Good luck, Llama.

P.S. I got the right two ID3/Tagger/Renamer apps (for my Win XP shell on my Mac) and with help from a cool-ass member here, I now have the whole thing figured out--13,000+ songs (all in album form, WITH cover art, with proper ID3 taggage and track #'s, etc. -- NO COMMENTS in that dumb field, NO Publisher info--just the essentials, ma'am, and it's one SLICK-ass piece of EQ for the price now with the new software (on XP Pro anyway).

It's only rollin' in my ride with my ENTIRE music collection dialed in. I should be done ID3'in' all this shit by Xmas. Fucking hell of a project, but worth the outcome.

[TheWagesofSin]

Anyone ever notice how Circuit City is always crawling with Mexicans?

[mysticllama]

First of all, I didn't even think Zune MADE a 160GB; I thought the new 120 was the max.

Oops, my mistake ;P

[Dr. P]

Anyone ever notice how Circuit City is always crawling with Mexicans?

I don't know, I never shop there.

[Spooner]

There's only TWO places what have more beaners than Circuit Cities ("shoppers with no shopping agendas"): Any amusement park, and any decorative public fountain where they will shamelessly swim with their street clothes on, regardless of how illegal (and ghastly unsightly) it is. (They do this at the beaches, too--that's why I never hit the beach below Zuma... ever.)

Ya know the Los Feliz Fountain as you get off the 5 at Los Feliz (where they filmed that Go-Go's video? Yeah, drive by there now and there's more beaners in there than there is water.

[moneymaker]

3. Prison

4. Utah....I am surrounded by mormans and spics.

[Spooner]

:rofl:

God, I needed a laugh.


There's always some good beaner chatter here on SFJ--I rely on it. :up:

[TheWagesofSin]

Ya know the Los Feliz Fountain as you get off the 5 at Los Feliz (where they filmed that Go-Go's video? Yeah, drive by there now and there's more beaners in there than there is water.

Yeah, there are lots of weddings there. You can always spot the bride- she's the one in the bright pink dress.

[Dr. P]

And 8 months pregnant.

[Heap]

lmao lmao lmao

[Spooner]

Wedge, you ain't been in L.A. long enough (or you're hanging around too many Hollywood Heebs) if you're referring to beaners as "Mexicans." The funniest thing in California is that calling someone a "Mexican" nowadays is actually looked at as a pejorative!!!! lmao lmao lmao lmao I ain't makin' it up, neither.

**UPDATE**

Alright, Zune 2.0 update. Member talks me into reconsidering the Zune based on new techmology and software (also tells me of myriad other ungodly schweet functionality). Yesterday, I said fuck work (I've been on a serious Ferris Bueller bender lately) and had to, from scratch, start creating and cleaning up untold ID3 tags and downloading album art, etc.

Long & short, this goddamn Zune--when used properly (it's NOT made for the sloppy mp3 collector, for better or worse) is turning out to be the best one of 'em all. Sure, you can watch flicks and TV on it, but I'm jus' talkin' 'bout tunes... for my car mainly. Anyway, I finally get half my Crimson and all my Zappa into this bitch, and to see all those album covers nice & scrollable, with all tunes in perfect track order, and then see a nice, crisp album cover show up when I'm playing any track from said album... fuckin' heaven. Definitely giving this whore an solid A right now.

:tip:

[TheWagesofSin]

Well, I dropped my iPod on the floor for the first time. The Griffin case I dropped $25 on didn't prevent the inevitable: I now have to restore the original settings, which will erase everything on the hard drive. Luckily, and thanks to this place, I foresaw this issue and backed the entire disk onto another computer. So hopefully I'll recover everything. Still, I think this hard drive shit is going the way of the brontosaurus.

[Spooner]

Fuck, Wedge... I don't recall you saying: I guess you DID end up buying the 120GB pod Classic, right? $249? Believe me, save for watching 'em bounce down the street on the way to your car, the HD's have never been a problem for me, save for the OCCASIONAL reindexing if it crashes. The money you saved going with the HD vs. flash memory (if you were even DREAMING of getting that much giggage in flash) is unquestionably worth it.

If your overall stash is small (that is, if all your mp3 albums/cuts/rips don't total more than 70GB, fuck video and fuck 120GB--THEN and only then would I go with the flash ones.

Hey, was this case neoprene or gummy rubber (on the firm side)? I just replaced my iPhone cover today with another one of those firm rubber ones. I think these could easily withstand a drop and maybe one bounce from shoulder height. How far was your drop and how many bounces did it take? Was it bad enough that you could hear Chick Hearn doing commentary as you watched in slow-mo?

[TheWagesofSin]

I've got the 80GB model, Bill...and I'm kicking myself, 'cause if I'd waited 2 months, I coulda had the 120GB at the same price.

The case I have is some kind of hard plastic. I sort of wish I'd bought the one you're talking about, cause this one- aside from not doing SHIT to protect the hard drive (to answer your question, I knocked it off of a bookshelf- it fell 2 feet, MAYBE)- gets all sorts of dust and shit inside of it..."it defeats its own purpose".

It really is a crime,the money they charge.You know some of these shitass accessories cost them about 3 cents to make.

[Spooner]

If it makes ya feel better, since I got tricked into the Zune, I was at Target with the dolly (the usual twice-a-month run for big, heavy shit), and they only had clear plastic cases left for it, so I had to get one (better 'an nothin'). It ain't leaving my pad till I can rename 13,000 ID3 tags anyway, right?

But, I take it to Methlehem, OR with me last week to test run the FM transmitter, and like you, I couldn't see shit 'cause so much shit was getting inside. Get the non-glossy glass-cover, and then get that same cover I was talkin' about (like my iPhone). Fucker looks as new as the day I boart it!

[TheWagesofSin]

The fucked up thing is: this is the second case I've bought. I've already sunk about $50 into shitty cases! The first one I bought at Best Buy didn't even have a cover for the screen...it came with a little sheet of cellophane-type shit for that purpose. Yeah, the screen looks great with a fucking air bubble right in the middle of it. lmao

[Spooner]

Dude, yer tellin' me yer buyin' Apple shit at BEST BUY? Well, maybe BUY it there, but get you GEAR at the Apple Store! I made a choad kid put my glass cover on, and he did it with surgical perfection--no extra charge. Smooth as a baby's ass--no air bubbles like beaner rear window tint rolls at Pep Boys, no nuthin'. Buy the glass cover at the Apple joint and MAKE the choads there put it on---they do it like 100 times a day and are good at it. Problem solved.

:tip:

[TheWagesofSin]

Yeah, why DIDN'T I buy my iPod at the Apple store? Maybe 'cause it was the weekend, and I couldn't stomach going to the Galleria. A man can only take so many chicks with hairy forearms and fat bellies protruding from Bebe shirts, lol.

I actually refrain from going to the Apple store 'cause, no joke, it fucking pains me to see all the shit I want so bad but can't afford. I wish I could stroll in there without about 20 grand to blow.

[Spooner]

I hear ya, Brutha--diving willfully into that hellbroth is like my dolly making go to the Costco parking lot with her on a fucking Saturday. I need a Xanax just to not seizure. The GOOD part about the Apple Store is that every jerkoff kid has a different color-coded shirt on, and you walk in like YOU'VE GOT BUSINESS, and you rush up to the meekest girl and say, "Hey, I just need a whatever really quickly. Can you point me to the right colored shirt to make this smooth and painless?"

I find that works 100% of the time. HUNDERD percent. I even went back in a SECOND time in 20 minutes because I had questions on that 30" monitor (for editing). I found out I can get the identical resolution and specs on a refurb'ed Dell (with DVI output) for $500 LESS than the refurb'ed Appled monitor!!

[Jdiggity Dee]

The guy who got the Zune symbol tattoo (http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/zuneguy.jpg) a while back has added a cartoon Vice President Dick Cheney to mock the soon to be retiree.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/zuneguy.jpg

link (http://gizmodo.com/5065764/zune-guy-makes-yet-another-fantastic-life-decision)

[Spooner]

I have an <gag! Ack!... errrrrk!> 'scuse me... iTunes question:

I VERY reluctantly had to purchase a very old, obscure album found nowhere the fuck on EZN or torrents. Fine. I'll drop a fucking saw on it--whatever. I'll sick it up later.

Here's my concern (and I bet DJ or Belasco knows): The fucking FILE SIZES are as bad as my original ones (though incomplete was the album)--I went to Get Info and it said "Bitrate: 125!!!" I don't understand this. So, naturally I copies that shit over to a flash drive and puts it on my PC where I have an awesome audio-stream stealer. It can do .flac PCM/WAV, whatever. I wanted pure wav files so I could convert them to 320's for my Zune.

Please don't tell me that iTunes REALLY sells 125kbps fucking songs and I'm sitting here UPSAMPLING 'em like Corky from Life Goes On. SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

:tip:

[Belasco]

That's not mp3 - Apple uses protected mpeg4 compression. It's basically the DIVX compression scheme applied to just audio. You get better sounding music files at lower bitrates - theoretically.

[Spooner]

I know about parts 1 & 2 of your answer, but I'm a bit mystified by the third part.

Let's talk in MP3 terms for a second: If I were to play that through Quicktime (the m4p) and copy the audio stream with, say, WireTap, and then save it as a 320kbps MP3, am I TRULY getting that quality, or, again, am I losing low frequency as you do in lower bitrates?

Thanks, Briggs. :tip:

[Belasco]

Compressed format --> compressed format = (at least some) loss of quality.

The method you're describing is probably akin to burning the track to CD Audio and then ripping it. The resulting sound files would probably sound the same. I don't know how much different the sound would be from the source or if it would even be noticeable.

In fact - a good test would be to not know which file you're listening to. Get your chick to mix up playing a source sample and a result sample. Give your opinion of whether the sample playing is AAC or mp3. Go through that about 19 more times. At the end of guessing at all the samples, compare your answers with the actual answers and see if it's better than chance.

[Spooner]

Double-blinds would work great if there weren't frequency analyzers. The worst thing is to have a song that kicks down (say, a bass note/riff, or keyboard, whatever) around 18Hz... it'll just sound like someone farted. That's all. I'm gonna go with Rhapsody because I just read some shit that their tunes come down at 320 (which is MINIMAL compression). I need to verify this 100%.

Most people don't care, though, and it all depends on what you're listening to it on. I know DJ is HUUUUGE on this issue. I'm less intense, but close. Thanks for the info, Diddy.

:tip:!!

[Heap]

So, I've got a modest stereo that I've always ran my TV audio through. With the new HDTV, the audio TO the stereo system ain't as loud as the old tube TV. My stereo isn't new, and only has the left/right stereo inputs. Is there a way to boost my audio signal from the TV without having to upgrade stereo system?

[djb]

So, I've got a modest stereo that I've always ran my TV audio through. With the new HDTV, the audio TO the stereo system ain't as loud as the old tube TV. My stereo isn't new, and only has the left/right stereo inputs. Is there a way to boost my audio signal from the TV without having to upgrade stereo system?

Heaps, If you are using your stereo to control the volume, look in the TV's setup menu for "Fixed Audio" output. That should give you plenty of volume. If you are using a cable box or DVR of some sort, you should use the audio output from that box to your stereo (and again use the setup menu for the box to choose the "Fixed Output".)

[Dr. P]

Sometimes I feel like DJB is on here 24 hours a day, just seldom posts.

[myeviltwin01]

Fuck all this hi-tech shit...I'm just gonna break out the record player.

[Spooner]

Tits... lmao lmao lmao

Oh, shit... DJ is the omnipotent SFJ'er ... all-seeing, all-knowing, seldom-posting. :tip:

[Heap]

Heaps, If you are using your stereo to control the volume, look in the TV's setup menu for "Fixed Audio" output. That should give you plenty of volume. If you are using a cable box or DVR of some sort, you should use the audio output from that box to your stereo (and again use the setup menu for the box to choose the "Fixed Output".)

Thanks :tip:

[melon]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/apple/4297205/Sniper-rifle-software-launched-for-iPod-touch.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01242/sniper_1242825c.jpg


Sniper rifle software launched for iPod touch
New BulletFlight program could be a 'killer' app for Apple

A new application has been launched for the iPod touch to help gun users line up a clean shot at their target.

The BulletFlight app, which costs £6.99 to download from the iTunes store, has been developed by Runaway App to turn the iPod touch into a ballistics computer which the company says can provide “quick solutions in the field”.

Users can mount their iPod touch to their rifle, and then use the iPod’s touch-screen to tap in details about the wind conditions, ammunition type, distance to the intended target and even the wind speed.

“Unlike other apps, BulletFlight does not output information in table format,” says the application’s iTunes page. “What it does do is dynamically give you the solution you need now to take that shot.”

The application features built-in profiles for three weapons – the M110 semi-automatic precision rifle, the KAC PDW, and the 14.5in SR16 rifle – although users can add more weapons into the app.

“Environmental calculations are based on the Sierra Bullet model,” says the BulletFlight iTunes entry. “Up to five ballistic co-efficients with corresponding velocity thresholds may be used for each profile.”

BulletFlight is not the first shooting application for the iPhone and iPod touch – that honour goes to iSnipe – but it’s the latest in a long line of unusal apps for the devices, which have included simulated beer-pouring, a fart machine, and even “breathalysers”.

This would be a sweet Perk for COD6. You can jam and shoot fags.

[Spooner]

Ya gotta admit: the *timing* of its release is a bit dubious. lmao lmao

[melon]

That iPod will have alot of Skrewdriver tunes on it.

[Heap]

Do any of you know if there is an FM transmitter that you can plug into an outlet? Pretty much anything I listen to regularly is on my mp3 player, but my stereo doesn't have too many inputs. I'm sure I could splice a Y adapter in there somehow, but I'd rather look into something like an FM transmitter first.

Edit: I've checked worst buy and the like, but haven't really found anything that I'm looking for.

[Belasco]

If you're going for music transmission try to find anything above FM frequency. 900 Mhz and above should do you well. All of the FM transmitters I've ever purchased had woefully low power (FCC regs) and horrible issues with interference.

For range and power you would have to go custom-made.

[Spooner]

Amen to THAT, brutha. The Zune tuner is THE FUCKING WORST!! Anyone have any good workarounds/alternatives for that? I may sell my Zune and get the biggest iPod there is (but I have a question: the first-gen iPods let you put MP3's on 'em ... can you still do that with the new ones?).

:tip:

[TheWagesofSin]

I can put mp3s on my Classic...and by the way, if you want to rip mp3s back OFF of your ipod, I recommend a program called "Yamipod". Works like a charm. :tip:


Sad news: I dropped my Creative Zen in a beer cooler at the NASCAR race. I turned it off right away and tried to shake it dry, but when I went to power it up a little while later...NO DICE. :killme:

[melon]

Damn, I bet it had some sweet Molly Hatchet tracks on it.

[Heap]

If you're going for music transmission try to find anything above FM frequency. 900 Mhz and above should do you well. All of the FM transmitters I've ever purchased had woefully low power (FCC regs) and horrible issues with interference.

For range and power you would have to go custom-made.

I suppose I should just splice an adapter to the speaker inputs, then. :tip: At least until I can upgrade my audio setup.

[TheWagesofSin]

Damn, I bet it had some sweet Molly Hatchet tracks on it.

That would actually be way too cool for NASCAR folks*. They like the shittiest country-pop music imaginable...these are the people who made Carrie Underwood a household name.

















*meaning: me...lol

[Spooner]

Damn, I bet it had some sweet Molly Hatchet tracks on it.

lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao

[Belasco]

I suppose I should just splice an adapter to the speaker inputs, then. :tip: At least until I can upgrade my audio setup.

You ever work with electronics, Heap?

I'm trying to put together a 900 Mhz transmitter/receiver myself. Some friends gave me their old 900 Mhz cordless phone. I pulled the modules out of it and am trying to work out the wiring connections so that it'll accept any input and the receiver would be able to connect to any output. If I can get something working, I'll let you know.

http://www.sweetfeatheryjesus.net/images/modules.jpg

[Spooner]

You're inSANE, Tabasco!! I'm getting an ulcer just SEEIN' all that. Hooooooooooo boy. Lemme know if you get it rollin'.

Cocksuckers out here want 200 rocks to put a goddamn stinkin' external auxiliary port on my shitty-ass stock VW radio. These bullshitters all say they need some "harness" for it, just to make this happen. As it stands now, I can get ONE static-free station in town on the FM transmitter for listening to ye olde Zune. Once I get south of Seattle, it gets even worse, believe it or not.

If there *is* a higher-powered one on the market, Briggs (for an iPod), do lemme know. :tip:

[Heap]

You ever work with electronics, Heap?

I'm trying to put together a 900 Mhz transmitter/receiver myself. Some friends gave me their old 900 Mhz cordless phone. I pulled the modules out of it and am trying to work out the wiring connections so that it'll accept any input and the receiver would be able to connect to any output. If I can get something working, I'll let you know.

http://www.sweetfeatheryjesus.net/images/modules.jpg

Let me know how it works out. I've never really pulled anything like that, but I can always give it a go. :tip:

[Belasco]

I'm still trying to find a datasheet on the trans/reciev modules. That's what is holding things up. If I can get this to work I'm planning on getting more old cordless phones at Goodwill or something, tune in the modules to the same frequency and have a multi-room transmitter audio system.

[Booze]

If you don't manage to get it up & running, 'Lasco, just whack it all in a cardboard box, write 'SNES 3000' on the side in biro & PM Ed.

[Spooner]

All this time I thought you were talking about FM *car* transmitters. My bad.

:tip:

[moneymaker]

You're inSANE, Tabasco!! I'm getting an ulcer just SEEIN' all that. Hooooooooooo boy. Lemme know if you get it rollin'.

Cocksuckers out here want 200 rocks to put a goddamn stinkin' external auxiliary port on my shitty-ass stock VW radio. These bullshitters all say they need some "harness" for it, just to make this happen. As it stands now, I can get ONE static-free station in town on the FM transmitter for listening to ye olde Zune. Once I get south of Seattle, it gets even worse, believe it or not.

If there *is* a higher-powered one on the market, Briggs (for an iPod), do lemme know. :tip:

Spooner, I have a belkin transmitter and modified it similar to what is seen here (No VR).

http://computerchristmas.com/christmas/link-how_to/HowToId-102/FM_Transmitter_mod

I can now transmit to my entire yard (about 1 acre) without any problem.

[Spooner]

Yeah, but as my posts explain, I'm lookin' for a good FM transmitter for my RIDE. I've got all the tunery I need in my pad. :tip:

[moneymaker]

This is a portable transmitter and works great in the car. I had the same problem with only one marginal FM setting. After the modification it is powerful enough to overtake most of the available settings.

I found the site that I actually used...a little more detailed (No VR)

http://www.instructables.com/id/Belkin-Tunecast-II-FM-Transmitter-Mod/

[Spooner]

I can't see how that sumbitch'll work with a Zune. The stupid Zune has a combo/proprietary 12-volt/FM transmitter connected. Can I just run that dirty slut off my headphone jack?

Seriously, I'm gonna have to get a Pod. I'm lost on this shit, frankly. All I want's a lousy auxiliary jack in my ride, and I'll be takin' a bath on it. Ugh.

[moneymaker]

I didn't know the Zune had it's own transmitter wish the Ipod did.

Yeah, you would just plug this into the earphone jack. I use mine at home for my XM MyFi that has it's own transmitter, but this allows me to keep the radio docked and listen while I mow.

[Spooner]

I ain't gotten an answer to my original question: Can the new generation of iPods hold MP3's, or just those retarded m4p's from SHiTunes? If they can handle MP3's, I'm selling my Zune -- it had a nice run; has good album art functionality, etc., but I'm just done shelling into a Windows OS to use the goddamn thing anymore. Plus, I demoed one this weekend, and it having a sleep timer and sweet search features -- I'm kinda wanting to trade over.

:tip:

[moneymaker]

I recently replaced my ipod after it went through the washer. I have the latest nano and it plays mp3....now I go through itunes, so I am not sure if itunes converts the format, but my original files have stayed intact.

[Spooner]

Another question: Is the iPod a slave to the fucking ID3 tag like the Zune? I remember the good old days when players would just show you YOUR own filename (e.g. "Dogbert & The Mennonite Virgins - Punch That Clown.mp3").

[moneymaker]

Shit man, your MY goto tech guy...get your own!

I haven't tried changing names of files.

In my ideal world I would have a player that ran on a regular battery, but again went with the ipod (my third) because there is just so much available through podcasts and I always get Itune gift cards for Christmas.

[TheWagesofSin]

I ain't gotten an answer to my original question


I can put mp3s on my Classic...and by the way, if you want to rip mp3s back OFF of your ipod, I recommend a program called "Yamipod". Works like a charm. :tip:
By "classic" I meant the ipod Classic...that's what they call the last generation of hard-drive ipods.:tip:


more info:


Audio formats supported: AAC (16 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4), Apple Lossless, AIFF, and WAV

[moneymaker]

Plus with an ipod, you can get this sumbitch!

http://www.nascarmedia.com/uploads/podcast/C44DA96FB52A4DAF8DFA5FDFE8F4F815.gif

http://www.nascarmedia.com/podcast/index.xml

Thanks for the link, Wages!

[TheWagesofSin]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25qunuu.jpg

[moneymaker]

^^^^instant classic.

lmao lmao lmao lmao!!!

[Spooner]

I thought by "classic," you meant first-gen ... like the old-ass one I've got sittin' in a drawer collectin' dust. Funny how we're livin' in times where they're dubbing something brand new a "classic." Yeah, that only works at SFJ with nicknames & chops (oh, and these: :jdnutz:).

:tip:



****Anyone wanna buy a hardly used 120GB Zune (still has the ol' tagger on it -- schweet case, car rig, and the box and all that shizz)? PM me if so. Anyone who knows me here knows I'm good on my word. :tip:

[Spooner]

Any Mac users lookin' for a hefty drive, I just scored (and installed) a 1TB SATA drive for $139 at MacMall ... them's 2009 dollars, too. OH yeah.

[moneymaker]

So did get that ipod? Why can't you use your iphone as an ipod?

[Spooner]

Same reason you don't use your salad spray bottles to hold Windex.

[moneymaker]

I wasn't trying to be a smartass. I thought that this was part of the allure of the iphone that is was so multifunctional.

I buy the Sam's size salad spray so are you talking about the music eating up too much space?

???

[TheWagesofSin]

I don't think the iphone has the capacity to hold Spoon's extensive audio library, Maker.

[Spooner]

I don't like multi-functional devices. I charge my phone at night, and I roll w/my 8,000 audiobooks and podcasts under my pilla while I crash. Two jobs -- two devices. OH yeah. :tip: