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Dr. P
04-20-2008, 11:22 AM
I have a feeling this game is gonna be our next COD4, so I figure it merits it's own thread. Release date is April 29th. Here's a trailer that is supposed to be about 70% in game play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SSg7NZxrQ
G0SSg7NZxrQ
KungFuJesus
04-21-2008, 10:15 PM
My xbox just shit the bed so I doubt I'll be playing this anytime soon.
the deta
04-21-2008, 11:04 PM
http://www.webdiva.org/cards/sorry2.gif
melon
04-22-2008, 01:56 AM
you may be next.
Howards Turn
04-22-2008, 04:44 AM
No one is safe.
Dr. P
04-22-2008, 09:44 AM
Fuc, man!
Howards Turn
04-22-2008, 10:27 AM
That O&A show with Lazlow has really got me pumped for this.
Hole In Face
04-23-2008, 02:22 AM
"Instead of shooting bullets can you throw flowers at people?" - Lil Jimmy Norton refering to GTA4
:rofl:
Howards Turn
04-23-2008, 09:25 AM
Multiplayer shot:
http://images.gamersyde.com/gallery/public/8147/1077_0001.jpg
So who's in?
Dr. P
04-23-2008, 09:26 AM
I'm in. But I hope I'm better with a knife in this game than COD4.
Howards Turn
04-23-2008, 11:13 AM
First gameplay videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Fpunltwh8
x2Fpunltwh8
the deta
04-23-2008, 11:21 AM
Can't. Fuckin. Wait.
Howards Turn
04-24-2008, 06:00 PM
Here's a live stream of some dude playin a leaked copy of GTA4.
Looks great!
http://www.justin.tv/pressstart
TheWagesofSin
04-24-2008, 06:09 PM
That looks awesom. I don't suppose the retard playing could do something other than run repeatedly into a wall and a tree?
Howards Turn
04-24-2008, 06:11 PM
I've had to listen to the jerkoff for the last half hour.
The graphics look great. You can make out all the different ethnic minorities as you mow them down.
Howards Turn
04-24-2008, 06:31 PM
Music in GTA4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV_soundtrack
Belasco
04-24-2008, 07:07 PM
^^^ Nice link, Howie.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3995/picture14bk8.png (http://imageshack.us)
I wonder if Richard Bastion is actually Ron Bennington - I know he's in there somewhere.
Dr. P
04-24-2008, 08:50 PM
Nope: http://www.gta4.tv/downloads/uploads/WKTT.mp3
Howards Turn
04-25-2008, 07:52 AM
So is Ron Bennington definitely in GTA4? Is he one of the radio hosts or does he just do a cameo?
I don't wanna jump the gun but considering all the information - footage - previews and Rockstars track record i think its safe to say this is gonna be the best game on this generation of consoles.
I havent been this pumped for a game since i was a kid!
Belasco
04-25-2008, 08:40 AM
Ron and Fez are both in it, but nobody is sure about their roles in the game.
the deta
04-25-2008, 08:51 AM
Not one reply in here from spooner.
Has a video leaked of this character riding a skateboard?
Is it possible spoon is not interested in this at all?!!? I just hope i can get a copy.
the deta
04-25-2008, 03:36 PM
Here's a live stream of some dude playin a leaked copy of GTA4.
Looks great!
http://www.justin.tv/pressstart
Looks like the dude's 360 went Red Ring of Deat while he was playing! lmao lmao lmao
http://kotaku.com/384085/live-gta-iv-players-xbox-360-goes-rrod
Dr. P
04-25-2008, 04:00 PM
I'm scared to deat that'll happen to me again!
Belasco
04-25-2008, 04:05 PM
Red Ring of Deat
I thought that was when you got Deep Woods OFF on your asshole.
Howards Turn
04-26-2008, 10:01 AM
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/793799/grand-theft-auto-iv/videos/gta4_review_042508.html
Dr. P
04-26-2008, 11:21 AM
SWEET! I can't fucing wait until Tuesday!
melon
04-26-2008, 12:07 PM
Hopefully most of the COD4 douchbags will migrate over to this game, make things a little more tolerable.
That trailer looked very impressive. Fuck it, ima have to buy GTA4, even though I never liked any of the previous editions.:tip:
Hole In Face
04-26-2008, 06:19 PM
Hopefully most of the COD4 douchbags will migrate over to this game, make things a little more tolerable.
That trailer looked very impressive. Fuck it, ima have to buy GTA4, even though I never liked any of the previous editions.:tip:
You didn't? What's your bug? How could you not like 'em?
Howards Turn
04-27-2008, 03:07 PM
GameTrailers review:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33327.html
melon
04-27-2008, 04:07 PM
You didn't? What's your bug? How could you not like 'em?
I probably never gave em a decent shot and was wrapped up in other games at the time. The shooting mechanics didn't really appeal to me, but this new one with the duck and cover fire looks very promising.
Spooner
04-27-2008, 04:19 PM
Alright, I just now saw that review link what Howie posted. It appears as if you GET to shoot negroids and beaners and not have to BE one on a BMX bike.
Is there a MISSION in this game, or do you just run around and look for virtual lapdances?
**Edit: When does this fuckin' thing come out?
Dr. P
04-27-2008, 06:30 PM
There is a mission, and about 100 sub-missions. It comes out Tuesday. I'm going before Best Buy opens.
Booze
04-27-2008, 06:34 PM
Hands up who's being a black dude in multiplayer.
Spooner
04-27-2008, 10:52 PM
^^lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
I can just see Booze callin' me up, asking to scrub down on this game, and he shows up on a freakin' skateboard with a 'du-rag on!
Howards Turn
04-28-2008, 08:24 AM
I hope GTA4 eventually offers custom soundtracks.
I'm more than happy to listen to the in game radio stations initially but i'd like to be able to set up stations that pull mp3s from my hard drive in the future. Driving around a spoof city of NY would be perfect with stern, r&f etc on the radio. I have a feeling i'm gonna be playing this game for a long time.
Huge ads everywhere in dublin for gta4. Loads of midnight openings tonight.
Booze
04-28-2008, 08:47 AM
I can just see Booze callin' me up, asking to scrub down on this game, and he shows up on a freakin' skateboard with a 'du-rag on!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Howie, every article I've read about GTA4 mentions how the developers chose all the music from their own record collections, but can you imagine the backhanders from record companies desperate to pipe their crappy bands into millions of homes?
With that in mind, I can't see 'em letting you tool around listening to your Saw Doctors mp3s :poke:
Just saw this on the Wik'pedia page -
Music downloads
Following a partnership between Rockstar Games and Amazon.com, players will be able to purchase real world MP3s through GTA IV's in-game mobile phone[58]. Players will be able to 'mark' radio songs that they like by dialing ZIT-555-0100 on Niko's phone. They will then receive a text message providing the name of the song and the artist. If a player is registered on Rockstar's 'Social Club' website he or she will also receive a real world e-mail with a link to an Amazon.com playlist where all of the player's marked songs will be listed and available to purchase.
Initially, this service will only be available in the US.
Howards Turn
04-28-2008, 09:41 AM
lmao I hate the fucking Saw Doctors!
Are you pickin this up tomorrow Lee?
Booze
04-28-2008, 09:45 AM
Definitely, mate. I'll be swinging by Oxford Street on me way to work tomorrow. I reckon Game in Walthamstow will be sold out by half 10.
Howards Turn
04-28-2008, 09:52 AM
Sound. Whats yer schedule like this week? I'm 9 to 5'in it as usual but next monday is a bank holiday so i'm gonna put in serious time on it this weekend.
Booze
04-28-2008, 10:13 AM
I'm working lates this week. Perfect for gaming with the Yanks, but what's the betting the servers are wankered by midnight tomorrow? I'll be amazed if any of us manage to get in multiplayer together this weekend. Or this month.
Howards Turn
04-28-2008, 01:03 PM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a378/h3nny1/accidents_250x140_epic.gif
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q200/iamacn/gta4.gif
Belasco
04-28-2008, 01:08 PM
When you imagine it's Larry in that clip, it becomes the funniest clip ever.
Howards Turn
04-28-2008, 01:33 PM
lmao Well he is our very own faildozer.
http://www.vimeo.com/944059
Dr. P
04-28-2008, 01:36 PM
That looks SO fuckin' sweet! I swear, I may see if anyone's open at midnight tonight!
the deta
04-28-2008, 05:21 PM
Russ, I was just at wal mart, they said they will be selling it midnight.
I am really stressing about how to get my hands on this. Wal mart is an hour away, so no way i am going at midnight tonight. I have meeting in the morning and wont be able to leave work untill 2 at the earliest. I hope they have it when i get there around 4 or 5.
The BYP
04-28-2008, 05:34 PM
Quit that ball and chain Ed, It's your only choice.
the deta
04-28-2008, 05:39 PM
lmao lmao lmao lmao. I am strongly considering taking a vacation day wednesday to get my game on.
TheWagesofSin
04-28-2008, 06:09 PM
There's a Dreamcast version of GTA4?
Booze
04-28-2008, 06:27 PM
^^^
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
the deta
04-28-2008, 06:31 PM
There's a Dreamcast version of GTA4?
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7316/nocountry3ki3.gif
melon
04-28-2008, 09:04 PM
Circuit Shitty is giving away $10 gift cards with GTAIV. Is anyone getting the Special Edition with the duffel bag and lock box and all that stuff?
the deta
04-28-2008, 09:10 PM
SPecial editions are fuckinlame.
TheWagesofSin
04-28-2008, 09:13 PM
Duffel bags are for total fags
melon
04-28-2008, 09:14 PM
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/grand-theft-auto-iv-special-edition-big.jpg
Here's what you get for $89.99.
the deta
04-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Shit! I didnt know you got a lock box!!!!!!!!!
:rollseyes:
Dr. P
04-28-2008, 09:18 PM
If all the normal copies are gone, I guess I'll get that.
Dr. P
04-28-2008, 09:57 PM
I see Gogurt reading this thread. I wonder if ANY chicks will play this game. I only ever played with one online on COD4.
Belasco
04-28-2008, 10:04 PM
Me and Gogurt were discussing this game earlier today. She loves GTA - she really got into GTA: Vice City, so she's looking forward to playing it. I told her we could play co-op (one driving, one shooting), but I didn't know if two people could play on the same Xbox using one Live account. Multiplayer GTA may be me or her - we'll see.
Dr. P
04-28-2008, 10:10 PM
Sweet! In all my hundreds of games, I only ever played with one chick who was miked up on COD. You ever play with any?
Belasco
04-28-2008, 10:17 PM
None. And I doubt Gogurt will be "on-mic" very often. She's notoriously shy, but she'll definitely play. I'll try to make her get on-mic occasionally.
She doesn't think anyone wants to talk to her... :roll:
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 02:33 AM
Who's Gogurt?
TheWagesofSin
04-29-2008, 03:41 AM
My guess is that Gogurt is 'Lasco's girl
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 07:12 AM
Its now sitting on my desk. This is gonna be a long day in work.
My guess is that Gogurt is 'Lasco's girl
Ah of course.
Belasco
04-29-2008, 07:33 AM
My guess is that Gogurt is 'Lasco's girl
Yeah, that's her. I should have clarified since she <10 posts. I'm going to pick up the game today. I'll try Costco first - I think they're the most likely place to still have it in stock around lunch time.
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 07:59 AM
I'm scouring the credits in the manual for Ron Benningtons name. Can't find it.
Jim Norton is one of the DJs on the conservative radio station. Anthony Cumia is a singer for some of the radio jingles.
The entire track listing for the radio stations is mind blowing. 200+ choons.
Belasco
04-29-2008, 08:46 AM
Jim Norton will sell you porn in the adult store - (according to RonFez.net) Ron Bennington is the Fire Chief. When you start a fire he'll show up.
Hole In Face
04-29-2008, 08:49 AM
I thought that you actually got to do missions for Jimmy (as the porno shop guy)? That's what I thought they said on the O&A GTA4 show. I'm not worng, am I?
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 08:53 AM
Jim Norton plays someone called Joseph Kaplan.
I'm almost certain Ron B isn't in the credits
edit - found him. He's listed among the many hundred 'People of Liberty City'.
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 09:18 AM
Theres a male pornstar in the game called Tony Wallop. lmao
Dr. P
04-29-2008, 09:39 AM
I call him in multi-player!
HxC Wuss
04-29-2008, 09:52 AM
IGN is already calling this game better than Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
Hole In Face
04-29-2008, 09:53 AM
IGN is already calling this game better than Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
Sut up, faggot.
HxC Wuss
04-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Stop getting me confused with St.Jimmy, Damn It!
Thanks to whoever changed my user title too, douchebag
myeviltwin01
04-29-2008, 09:59 AM
Every thread you enter, you leave destruction in your wake....
Why is that?
Dr. P
04-29-2008, 09:59 AM
lmao lmao lmao I just noticed that user title!!!! AWESOME!
HxC Wuss
04-29-2008, 10:03 AM
Every thread you enter, you leave destruction in your wake....
Why is that?
for i am Stupis, Destroyer of Threads
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 10:22 AM
If you go to Rockstars Social Club website you can link yer gamertag to the website to keep track of all your shit.
Dr. P
04-29-2008, 10:26 AM
Is that helpful? I'm heading out to the DMV (groan) and Best Buy, I'll check it tonight.
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 10:49 AM
Is that helpful? I'm heading out to the DMV (groan) and Best Buy, I'll check it tonight.
Who knows. Its probably one of those things that'll grow as the game progresses. It only takes a minute to sign up.
Howards Turn
04-29-2008, 10:54 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7373348.stm
melon
04-29-2008, 12:33 PM
^^^ The important question is: Did he get the game?
I'll be getting my copy at lunch shortly, hopefully I'll come out okay.
The Sav
04-29-2008, 01:52 PM
Is all of that cool running over blind retards action, a feature in the multi-player mode? If so, then I'm down.
the deta
04-29-2008, 04:39 PM
Sweet just called my local walmart. They said they have some left in stock. I'm out!
TheWagesofSin
04-29-2008, 04:55 PM
^Everyone else will be getting Grand Theft Auto IV. Not Ed. This is what HE'S all excited about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y89CUYFIlDs&feature=related
Y89CUYFIlDs
melon
04-29-2008, 05:43 PM
^^lmao lmao lmao
Dr. P
04-29-2008, 07:45 PM
I just started the single player campaign. Sound, music and graphics are AMAZING. I drive the car like a fucin' dink woman, but the game so far, it's bad-ASS. My Go dam manual is missing two pages, one of which explains the controls, though.
Verno
04-29-2008, 08:06 PM
Ah, rolled a couple before playing, eh?
Edit: sorry, realized it wasn't Ed
TheWagesofSin
04-29-2008, 08:09 PM
^ lmao lmao
Ed left for Wal-mart 3 hours ago! When the nearest Wal-mart is hours away, you know you live in the fuckin' boonies.
The BYP
04-29-2008, 08:12 PM
He left Walmart hours ago, now he's trying to score a dime bag.
TheWagesofSin
04-29-2008, 08:19 PM
lmao
good point
the deta
04-29-2008, 09:20 PM
Hell know i had my copy of GTA4 at about 6 pm. I then ruturned to the only open bar on the mountain to drink and watch the pens. I am now home. Cant wait to start this game. I took tomorrow off.
As for your jokes about me being years behind.. . . . . GTA is one title i get ASAP after its released. The other is God of War, which will also cost me a PS3 this time around.
Now just to figure out how to share my laptop's wireless connection with the 360. Then i can smoke all you BITCHES!!!
Booze
04-29-2008, 09:28 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7373348.stm
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Fucking CROYDON! If you'd have given me 3 guesses whereabouts in the British Isles that had taken place, I would have got it.
They should call that town Little Wales.
Just got home with my copy. I'm going in. Who else has got it? And did you blow out sick today, Howie?
Edit: Ed, don't let that game out of your sight while you set up yr connection. I hear the Night Chimps are at large.
the deta
04-29-2008, 10:14 PM
lmao lmao
Dr. P
04-29-2008, 11:07 PM
Okay, I gave it an hour and some change. Not bad, but my hopes were WAY too high. The pace is slow, man. You can run over people or hit a cop to speed things up, but it's a very deliberate game. When you do shit like that, you have to run like hell to get out of the "circle of justice." I caught a bunch of Fez on the radio, which was cool; but can't figure out how to start a fire. And going from 1st person to third is an adjustment, and my fucin' manual is missing Go dam pages. I'm sure I'll be way into it after burning some calories on this game, just isn't the excitement factor from start-up I expected.
Is it that bad compared to past GTA's or is it you first copy?
Spooner
04-30-2008, 12:12 AM
Just wait till you get the skateboard, Russ. Then things'll REALLY pick up.
/quack
Howards Turn
04-30-2008, 02:55 AM
Did about 5 hours of single player missions and an hour of multiplayer.
The thing thats impressed me most so far is just how real the city feels. All pedestrians look different and say different shit, they never seem to fall over the same way twice. It just makes it all the more intense when you drive through a hot stand or mug a woman.
The cars are more realistic and in turn more challenging to drive. Theres a lot more weight to them but they all handle differently. I got into an Infernus in multiplayer and it fucking boots along. The voice acting and dialogue is way above video game standards. The plot seems to be simmering nicely too. I like this Niko fella.
The multiplayer is a fucking blast. Cops and Crooks is great as are the street races. Havent tried any other modes as of yet. In the multiplayer modes the whole map is available and cops and pedestrians are on too. I got into a helicopter with a mate last night and as Oxygène Part IV by Jean Michel Jarre played on the radio he hovered over time square and i sprayed bullets over terrified innocents! lmao Vintage GTA.
Just got home with my copy. I'm going in. Who else has got it? And did you blow out sick today, Howie?
Nah my boss knows about GTA4 so it'd look real bad if i took a day off for it.
i've got a four day weekend comin' so i plan on getting really stuck in.
the deta
04-30-2008, 08:01 AM
Okay, I gave it an hour and some change. Not bad, but my hopes were WAY too high. The pace is slow, man. You can run over people or hit a cop to speed things up, but it's a very deliberate game. When you do shit like that, you have to run like hell to get out of the "circle of justice." I caught a bunch of Fez on the radio, which was cool; but can't figure out how to start a fire. And going from 1st person to third is an adjustment, and my fucin' manual is missing Go dam pages. I'm sure I'll be way into it after burning some calories on this game, just isn't the excitement factor from start-up I expected.
Hey Russy, i know you said your manual was missing the controls page. Did you see there is a controls diagram on the giant fold out liberty city map?
Booze
04-30-2008, 08:16 AM
Having to go to work today is a gigantic pain in the bum.
Howards Turn
04-30-2008, 08:22 AM
I hear that. Public transport seating plays havoc with my haemorroids.
melon
04-30-2008, 09:19 AM
Hey Russy, i know you said your manual was missing the controls page. Did you see there is a controls diagram on the giant fold out liberty city map?
Theres also an in-game control diagram. :tip:
Dr. P
04-30-2008, 09:31 AM
:tip: Yeah, I found the in-game one. Christ, there's 75 different actions on 12 buttons! I tried to bowl on a date last night and never DID figure out what I hit to throw the ball.
Yeah, I did play GTA on a buddy's console 2-3 years ago, but may have jumped in mid-game. It seemed much more fast paced. Then again, I've been playing COD4 multi-player for months on end and don't even have a gun yet in this game. I tried to mug the biggest nigger I had ever seen in the game and he killed me dead, do you guys just mug random people? I killed one guy who got pissed because I walked into him, but didn't get any money or anything off of him, so figured it was best to leave folks alone. Plus, there are a ton of cops. I did try to car jack another big nig, but he was kicking my ass, so I got him to chase me away from his car then sprinted back to it and took off, running him over with his own Thunderbird! That's been the highlight of my game so far.
Belasco
04-30-2008, 10:09 AM
Last night, my chick went into the Triangle Club (strip club) in the north Burrough and got a lap dance. She wandered into the Employees Only area and went into the Security Room. There, propped up on the wall was a loaded shotgun. Fun time! When she left the Employee area and went back into the club, the screaming started. She walked out pretty easily. After a while the cops were after her and she blew one of the cops faces off with the shotgun - it ended for her rather quickly after that.
Dr. P
04-30-2008, 10:11 AM
Man, I haven't run across a gun yet! It sucks throwing punches.
Howards Turn
04-30-2008, 10:41 AM
You're given a gun during your second mission with the jamacian guy. You can this pick up more ammo from the people he wants you to kill.
Another way to get guns and ammo is to go to dodgy areas and run over drug dealers. They'll always drop money and sometimes guns.
Ammunation sells weapons too.
the deta
04-30-2008, 11:09 AM
Well i cant get my Damn Xbox to share the internetconnection with the laptop. Looks like i'll be single playerin this som'bitch. Oh well.
melon
04-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Ed, there is way to share a connection with your lapper. I did it with my bros system (Vista), works fine. I don't know if this works with a Mac though.
Verno
04-30-2008, 12:26 PM
Or get a router you cheap bastard.
the deta
04-30-2008, 12:32 PM
I have an airport extreme, but the building i am in has free wifi. so i dont have a direct internet line into my appartment. I am just gonna end up getting that wireless thing for the console.
There is a way to do it for mac, i juat cant get it to work. . . . . . .
http://www.ofzenandcomputing.com/zanswers/358
Spooner
04-30-2008, 01:01 PM
Jesus, Belasco... I swear ta Christ, as I was reading your last post, I thought you were saying that your dolly went out last night (which meant you were gonna play GTA by yourself and tell us about it). I thought the whole story was REAL--that she'd gone and done this in Austin, and I'm thinkin' What - the - fuck?!!
New rule: Don't read threads before your first cup.
Booze
04-30-2008, 06:58 PM
Jesus, Belasco... I swear ta Christ, as I was reading your last post, I thought you were saying that your dolly went out last night (which meant you were gonna play GTA by yourself and tell us about it). I thought the whole story was REAL--that she'd gone and done this in Austin, and I'm thinkin' What - the - fuck?!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That's exactly what I thought as well. I'm reading it going "this Gogurt's a feisty one. Lasco's got his hands full here..."
Belasco
04-30-2008, 07:09 PM
:rofl:
Christ, that's funny - I can't wait to tell her about that one. I figured it being in the GTA thread would be enough to put it in context. Didn't think about the coffee/morning ritual angle though... Sorry about that.
She is a feisty one, Lee, but not THAT feisty
KungFuJesus
04-30-2008, 09:31 PM
Meanwhile my busted xbox sits on the living room floor useless as a limp dick.
Oh well... picked up Mariokart for the Wii the other day and it's fun enough for now.
Booze
04-30-2008, 10:39 PM
I just took Michelle out for a 3rd date. I showed up in a stolen ambulance & it caught fire as we were going over the Dukes Bay Bridge. I bailed out. She's dead. Nosey cow.
Dr. P
04-30-2008, 11:07 PM
Don't feel bad. I took her bowling, never figured out what I did to send the ball, still lost with enough dignity to get a 2nd date, drove her home, got into some more shit, and then ran her over trying to kill punks to find money for our second date.
Howards Turn
05-01-2008, 03:22 AM
I took her out to an Irish bar for our second date, got horribly wasted, drove drunk back to her place and banged her.
Now if only life would fucking imititate art.
the deta
05-01-2008, 07:18 AM
Yeah Michelle is real into me. I've taken her bowling, to play darts, and to eat. We've banged a couple times.
St. Jimmy
05-01-2008, 01:55 PM
I'll be buying it as soon as I get the cash.
Dr. P
05-01-2008, 02:00 PM
It's ages 18 and up only, Jimbo.
the deta
05-01-2008, 06:57 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2454984309_9ddc588b94.jpg
the deta
05-02-2008, 08:05 AM
Well i am a couple hours in and I must admit, besides graphics and physics and a few small details, this is basically the same game as the last GTAs. I dont really think there is anything groundbreakingly new in regards to gameplay here. That being said it is just as fun as the previous installments and those things like physics and graphics do add to the experiance. I dig the blood on the cars after hitting people as well as some of the destructable environments during gunfights. But for all these reviews saying that THIS will redifine the way we think about video games, i just don't see it.
Dr. P
05-02-2008, 09:29 AM
I haven't played it since Tuesday night when I got it.
TheWagesofSin
05-02-2008, 01:29 PM
Well i am a couple hours in and I must admit, besides graphics and physics and a few small details, this is basically the same game as the last GTAs. I dont really think there is anything groundbreakingly new in regards to gameplay here. That being said it is just as fun as the previous installments and those things like physics and graphics do add to the experiance. I dig the blood on the cars after hitting people as well as some of the destructable environments during gunfights. But for all these reviews saying that THIS will redifine the way we think about video games, i just don't see it.
That's pretty much what I figured from watching the various trailers and clips, except that I heard there would be an option for online multiplayer play. Is that true, and have any of you fags tried it out?
Dr. P
05-02-2008, 02:29 PM
There's multi-player, but I'm still learning the controls. I'll give it a shot when I start winning more of my fights. I played for a half hour this morning. I'm at a place where I fight two Russians in a basketball court, then try to chase the one who runs off, but I have no fucing idea which direction he went.
Howards Turn
05-02-2008, 02:30 PM
Some of the internet sites are funny.
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/fruit.jpg
Booze
05-02-2008, 07:08 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2374/2454984309_9ddc588b94.jpg
No wonder you're having trouble with your connection, Ed.
the deta
05-02-2008, 08:43 PM
^^^^^ lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
Fuckin LEe!
Howards Turn
05-03-2008, 09:04 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2456292785_0834f905bc_b.jpg
the deta
05-04-2008, 10:17 AM
Liberty City Google map sorta thing.
http://grandtheftauto.ign.com/maps/1/Liberty-City-Map
the deta
05-04-2008, 05:15 PM
So whats everyone else think? I stand by my original review. Pretty much just a better looking version of the same GTA game. I like the new physics, and love the destructable environments during gunfights, but i just don't think it deserved all the hype that surrounded it. I hardly see anything "new" that really takes the game to anew level.
Belasco
05-04-2008, 06:45 PM
I'm really liking it so far. My only other experience with the game was Vice City. The targeting and cover system is great. I like the story so far. The characters are fun and the tv/radio/internet satire is top-notch.
Jack Thompson is on the warpath again over GTA4 - he sticks his stupid nose into this stuff all the time. He's the Al Sharpton of violent video game controversy. In his latest publicity stunt, he has sent a letter to the Chairman of Take-Two Software's mother telling her what a bad son she raised.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52358
Mrs. Zelnick, did you train up your son, Strauss, to make millions of dollars by pushing Mature-rated video games to children? Any kid can go right to little Strauss' corporate web site and buy GTA IV with no age verification. Strauss is even marketing the new Grand Theft Auto IV on World Wrestling Entertainment tv shows seen by millions of kids. If you trained up Strauss to do this, then shame on you.
But maybe the explanation for your son's corporate sociopathy is to be found in Old Testament Proverb 29:15:
"The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."
Maybe you, Mrs. Zelnick, were so taken by your handsome son that you spared the rod and spoiled the child. That would explain why he has brought you, by the way he presently acts, "to shame."
The full letter is at the link.
What a douche!
Spooner
05-04-2008, 08:40 PM
Alright, Tabasco weighed in, but I wanna hear the troof from you other choads... be honest and fess up: Is this GTA IV really all that pimp, because I noticed a lot of you cats ain't been playin' it too much since the first day.
Dr. P
05-04-2008, 08:46 PM
I really like it, I just haven't had much game time for the last few months. I'm still not sure how to do certain things (like cover, dodge an attack, etc.) so I'm not as into it as I'd be if I were kicking ass. But the visuals are as good as I've seen in a game, and the story is pretty interesting. I'm like 1.8% through the game, though, there's lots more to do. I do hate that the strippers wear pasties and g-strings, though. I've always felt that if you can beat a nun to death, you should be able to see some tits.
Dr. P
05-04-2008, 11:59 PM
I take it all back, I'm about to put this fucker on Ebay. I am trying to chase Dardin by car, I've tried it 50 times. The car angle gets all fucked up mid-chase; you go from 3rd person to looking out of a cracked windshield. Half the time I get stuck in slo-mo and it's just pissing me off to no end. And to get back to that scene, you have to go through town, beat up the loansharks, etc. all over again, and that's just boring. Fuck this game.
Spooner
05-05-2008, 12:40 AM
^^lmao lmao lmao Shit, I got a knot in my stomach just *readin'* that. It can't be worse than having to play that cheesy, impossible Outlaws tune on Rockband in Expert mode. Then again, if I had to go run around and do all the prerequisite shit before a car chase AGAIN, I'd be throwin' that bitch out the window, too.
melon
05-05-2008, 01:25 AM
I'm enjoying this game alot. I have some minor issues with the controls, especially when aiming, but it's not a game breaker. It is very slow to start though, the first 2 hours is like a tutorial after that the fun really kicks in. The multiplayer is not nearly as polished as COD4, but it's still fun nonetheless.
I rate it 9 Larry heads outta 10.
:larry: :larry: :larry: :larry: :larry: :larry: :larry: :larry: :larry:
Hole In Face
05-05-2008, 04:04 AM
I played it for about 30 minutes (at a friends house) this weekend and it was fucking awesome. Just about everything has improved and I have no complaints. The ragdoll effect they got going on is awesome. I spent a good time spining my car around and whipping people off a bench. lmao
Booze
05-05-2008, 07:21 AM
I wasn't a console jockey when the last two GTAs came out, so I can't compare this to those ones. But I fucking LOVE this game. I haven't stuck another game in the tray since I got it, & I've put in some serious hours on it now.
I share the reservations about the controls (I've NEVER been able to get on with 3rd person games), & restarting failed missions clear across town again is a nag. But you can always jump in a cab or Roman's car service & warp straight to the action. And so far the missions haven't been so difficult that I've needed to replay them more than once.
None of that matters much when you get stuck into playing it, anyway. It's proper addictive. There's no way it could have lived up to the hype, but it comes pretty close & has WAY more depth than you've got any right to expect from a 40 quid video game.
Like Melon said, it starts off nice & gentle, with easy missions & cops that are dumb & easy to outrun (unless you shoot one of 'em) & builds up nicely. I've just managed to get onto Algonquin at last & buy myself some fancy new duds.
Chip, have you got yer hands on a baseball bat yet? Once you have, you'll never lose a fight again. I've no idea what's happening to you during that car chase. You sure you ain't hitting the back button accidentally & cycling through the camera angles? Have you had a rumble with Dardan on the rooftop, or does he always get away?
Belasco
05-05-2008, 07:26 AM
I haven't figured out how to hail a cab yet. I tried to get on the subway and go into "Manhattan" so I could check out Honkers, but the train just stopped at Hove Beach and wouldn't let me ride on in.
Yeah, it sounds like you've got something weird happening with your controls, Russ.
Booze
05-05-2008, 07:42 AM
Hit LB when there's a cab near you to whistle & it'll stop if there are no passengers in it. Or you can find one stopped in traffic that HAS got punters in it & press Y when you're standing at the back door to sling them out. Be careful not to chuck the driver out instead, though. Then it'll just be a regular motor.
the deta
05-05-2008, 07:55 AM
Lee, you know after a failed mission you can check your text messages and restart the mission without having to drive back to the original mission marker? I think that's a huge plus from the last games.
I had a great chase yesterday. Fuckin 5-0s on my ass and i am on a highway, somehow i got completely cornered and my car was stuck in the middle of 3 or 4 cop cars. The AI really impressed me in the way they seemed to corner me so effectively, and quickly. Well i only had one way out. Jump off the highway over pass to the street below. I ran for the edge and hopped over. As i was falling i was sure i would die, but NO! Nico layed ther for a second and struggled to his feet with a sliver of life left. I carjacked some buster and was home free. Fuck you pigs!!
I also like how you can shoot people who are dead and they still move from the bullets impact. I hate when someone dies in a game and there body just lays there as if it is no longer a part of the environment.
Another cool thing i saw ....... I was flying around in an SUV (probably my favorite ride so fa) well i clip some douche in the front fender and his car goes spinning and rolling ulitamatly ending up on its passanger side door. I was like "Sweet" then the fucking driver craawls out of the window and falls to the street just as another car hits the car he was in causing it to roll over on him! I guess thats why they say stay in the vehicle. I also saw a dude hit the wall near a tool booth and shoot out the windshield. Great stuff there.
Booze
05-05-2008, 06:57 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That's what I'm talking about. You could have hours of fun just rolling around town in an SUV with a baseball bat, even if you didn't bother with the missions. I haven't even played the multiplayer yet.
Now... if you'll excuse me, I've got a hot date with a little gay fella called French Tom, who I've got to kill for a steroid fiend called Brucie.
Toodles!
Dr. P
05-05-2008, 07:05 PM
When you guys chase the first guy in a car chase, does the car get all these weird fucin' angles?!? I try to toggle back to "above" mode, but it won't let me. Christ, I've gotten so close to catchin' this asshole it's not even funny.
Booze
05-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Russ, there's a 'cinematic' camera mode that is fairly useless, & from within that you can change to all manner of crazy angles that are nice to look at but impossible to drive with.
Sounds to me like you're stuck in that mode. There isn't an 'above' camera angle as such in normal mode, just a series of behind, slightly raised ones, & looking straight through the windshield.
the deta
05-05-2008, 07:31 PM
Lee are your cars built with the steering wheel on the right or left? I wonder if there is anywhere where the wheel being on the left fucks with people in the game because in their country its on the right. Same for flow of traffic. Hmmmmmm.
The Sav
05-05-2008, 09:43 PM
The Japs drive on the left side of the road too, Ed. And they're the ones who make all these games. So they probably have "Limey" versions avaliable.
Howards Turn
05-06-2008, 08:55 AM
I'm having a lot of fun with GTA. Really enjoying the radio and the driving. The combat could be a lot better though - it can be very awkward to control and manouver especially in tight spaces.
I'm starting to find that the missions are getting tough over in Algonquin. Anyone done the Strip Club mission for Dwayne? I've died 4 or 5 times trying that and lost around 15 grand on hospital fees in the process.
The Japs drive on the left side of the road too, Ed. And they're the ones who make all these games. So they probably have "Limey" versions avaliable.
Oddly the GTA games are entirely coded in Edinburgh, Scotland but stuff like voice recording and design is done in NYC.
The japs are completely oblivious to the GTA games along with all first person shooters. Most japanese gamers who tried Halo 3 complained of motion sickness.
The xbox 360 never got off the ground in Japan. Online gaming is in its infancy over there too. RPG's are still the leading genre. Crazy bastids.
Booze
05-06-2008, 09:08 AM
I've only just met Dwayne... I just completed the mission where you whack those Union dudes on the building site. I love how they shoehorn in a sniper rifle, btw. I know there ain't much sniping going down on the streets, but everyone loves a bit of long range whacking in a vidya game.
Ed... when Starsky & Hutch was aired here in the '70s, they had to flip the negative for the driving scenes so that people didn't get all confused. And they redubbed it so that David Soul had a thick Yorkshire accent. They replaced all hotdogs with cornish pasties & Huggy Bear's scenes were reshot using David Niven.
The BYP
05-06-2008, 09:15 AM
David Niven as Huggy Bear? lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
Howards Turn
05-06-2008, 09:24 AM
Over here Huggy Bear was replaced by veteran bogtrotter David Kelly.
http://www.olderinireland.ie/photos/davidkelly.jpg
Booze
05-06-2008, 09:28 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I remember the day I found out he actually had two arms. It blew my mind.
Howards Turn
05-06-2008, 09:33 AM
lmao lmao
That's Alan Partridges favourite sitcom that is.
KungFuJesus
05-19-2008, 08:37 PM
Ok. Got my xbox back and picked up GTA4. Now how the FUCK do you shift to letters on the cell phone to send text? All I can hit are numbers. I want to enter some cheats and raise some hell. I've been trying for a good 45 mins trying to text and all I can get are numbers.
the deta
05-19-2008, 08:48 PM
i've never texted.
Booze
05-19-2008, 09:58 PM
Ok. Got my xbox back and picked up GTA4. Now how the FUCK do you shift to letters on the cell phone to send text? All I can hit are numbers. I want to enter some cheats and raise some hell. I've been trying for a good 45 mins trying to text and all I can get are numbers.
You cheating bastard.
As far as I know, you can't enter text. All the cheats should just just be numbers. But I think using the health cheat means that you can't complete all the missions.
You shouldn't need the cheats anyway, Fu. You can tear shit up & get away from the coppers pretty easy, & all the missions are do-able, at least so far, & I'm about 60% through it.
Had a fucking hell of a time on that Heat* style bank heist mission, though.
You ever see that movie, Ed? :poke:
the deta
05-19-2008, 10:07 PM
why yes, yes i have.
That bank robbery was a good mission. I just got done with the Tunnel of Death mission. Took me a couple times. The first time i got out of the tunnel and was in a chase that must have lasted 10 minutes. I finally got away from those sons of bitches but somewhere along the line i lost my buddy or something. The chase was awesome though.
Booze
05-19-2008, 10:11 PM
I just got done with the Tunnel of Death
Good name for TT's... ahhh, I better not.
Dr. P
05-19-2008, 11:13 PM
lmao!
KungFuJesus
05-19-2008, 11:34 PM
I had only done the first mission anyway so i wasn't losing anything by putting in the cheats... just wanted to test out the guns. Turns out there is no letters, you just have to spell out the stuff with the numerical keypad.
Just spent an hour blowing up / shooting cops and pedestrians. Also spawned a chopper and flew around a bit.
Dr. P
05-19-2008, 11:48 PM
Damn, why ya cheatin'?
KungFuJesus
05-19-2008, 11:50 PM
Damn, why ya cheatin'?
It's fun. I hate doing missions. I'll do them, but only to unlock bigger areas of the map. Then I'll cheat there.
Pull Out Method
05-20-2008, 12:14 AM
It's fun. I hate doing missions. I'll do them, but only to unlock bigger areas of the map. Then I'll cheat there.
lmao lmao lmao
I can actually see fu rolling his eyes and removing cheats just to have to wade into the "actual game" for ten minutes before he gets back to blowing everything away.
The BYP
05-20-2008, 01:19 AM
I just spent 3 hours tearing up the city. Ran into a dead end at the miniature golf course pushed 2 cops into the water hazard then ran and stole their car. Killed at least 15 peds while the cops watched in horror.
KungFuJesus
05-20-2008, 06:17 AM
lmao lmao lmao
I can actually see fu rolling his eyes and removing cheats just to have to wade into the "actual game" for ten minutes before he gets back to blowing everything away.
Totally... hopefully a cheat will surface that will unlock all the areas so that won't be necessary. I play the GTA games to fuck shit up, not chase a puerto rican on a moped for 67 city blocks and then he gets away.
:sleep:
Dr. P
05-20-2008, 09:06 AM
Cheating sounds better when you put it that way.
Howards Turn
05-20-2008, 10:23 AM
GTA has never had cheats that open up the islands. The japs who made it put a ton of work into the story and all the cut scenes so i doubt they made a cheat that would encourage players to skip all the missions.
the deta
05-20-2008, 10:44 AM
Howie you do the tunnel mission yet, where you have to kidnapp the prisoner, then you take him to the cliffs? That was schweet.
Howards Turn
05-20-2008, 11:10 AM
I like those execution style killings alright.
Spooner
05-20-2008, 01:11 PM
It's fun. I hate doing missions. I'll do them, but only to unlock bigger areas of the map. Then I'll cheat there.
lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
Fu, when all things were said and done, two question: (1) How fucking long did it take for you to get your rig back once you sent it to those cocksuckers? (2) Since it wasn't a RRoD, did you have to fucking PAY for the repairs, man?!!!!
KungFuJesus
05-20-2008, 04:47 PM
lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
Fu, when all things were said and done, two question: (1) How fucking long did it take for you to get your rig back once you sent it to those cocksuckers? (2) Since it wasn't a RRoD, did you have to fucking PAY for the repairs, man?!!!!
I sent it right around the time GTA4 came out, maybe a couple days before. Not sure exactly the date on that.
Also, they sent a replacement unit so I didn't get the same one I sent in... no charge.
:up:
Booze
05-20-2008, 09:10 PM
Fu, buying GTA IV & cheating on the missions is a bit like renting 90's porn & fast forwarding to the sex scenes. Think of all the great acting & fantastic storyline you'll be missing.*
*I just said that try to seem cool. I'm actually enjoying the bollocks off of this game.
Spooner
05-21-2008, 12:54 AM
^^lmao lmao lmao
I finally kilt that jerkoff boyfriend, now I'm in seemingly ENDLESS missions for that half-a-fag Brucie, stealing rides. I've kiped like 10 of 'em already and it's gettin' old. Nothing else is happenin'; no phones ringing; no one asking me ta do SHIT. Any idea'ers when the game starts to stall?
Booze
05-21-2008, 08:31 AM
All those Brucie jobs where you nick the motors are just side missions, except the first one.
If I remember right, your next mission should be for that Faustin fella again. There should be a letter F somewhere near the bottom of the map.
the deta
05-21-2008, 10:57 AM
Yeah, i never do the side missions, like stealin whips and making runs for Little Jacob. Fuck that shit i a big timer. I aint got time for that shit.
The BYP
05-21-2008, 11:25 AM
I'm gonna start doing missions for Ed.
the deta
05-21-2008, 11:33 AM
lmao lmao
Spooner
05-21-2008, 12:48 PM
Yeah, i never do the side missions, like stealin whips and making runs for Little Jacob. Fuck that shit i a big timer. I aint got time for that shit.
lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
You afraid Li'l Jacob's gonna have you steal BBQ grates from white stoners?
the deta
05-21-2008, 12:55 PM
lmao lmao lmao That would be good mission.
I do hang out with those folks though, to get their special help and shit, but i don't do their bitch ass jobs.
Spooner
05-21-2008, 03:26 PM
I'm on the mission now where I'm chasing that down that homo after I gaffled a squad car. The hard part is keeping that fucking Crown Vic from blowing up after crashing into all the Seattle-type drivers while givin' chase. Now, even though I'll probably be charged for this freakin' game, I *ain't* returnin' it till I kill this jerkoff with a shotgun. No two ways around it.
The BYP
05-21-2008, 03:52 PM
One of the missions is jacking the game from blockbuster.
Spooner
05-21-2008, 05:31 PM
lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao
I've already done that mission with Burnout Paradise.
The Sav
05-21-2008, 08:35 PM
lmao lmao
Waaaaaay back when (I'd say circa 1992) I rented Street Fighter 2 for the SNES system. I rented it and never returned the fucker with no intention of returning it either, lol. Later that year, my parents moved to Alaska and I moved to Portland and somehow during the move, I lost the game. Then about 4 years later, my parents get a bill for $457 (late fee's rental fee's, etc.) for a past-due video game!!! lmao
The first thing my mom did was call me and asked me what the fuck was goin' on here. I completely forgot about that game too. So I went down to a local store and I told 'em that I might have accidentally returned the game to Hollywood video instead (total lie), but I couldn't remember because it was FOUR GODDMAN YEARS AGO!!!
The manager told me that the collections people tried calling me and sending me letter several times but could never reach me. That's because I moved! lmao
He told me to rent 3 movies and then he'd delete the charges from my account.... I think I rented Batman Forever, 7even and Toy Story.... I didn't return those for 3 months. lmao
Dr. P
05-21-2008, 09:02 PM
How much did those overdue fees run you?
The Sav
05-21-2008, 10:00 PM
Well it was four years worth of the $3 a week fee's plus late fees and interest.... what a deal!
Spooner
05-28-2008, 02:45 PM
Way back when, when VHS tapes cost like $79 to buy (or replace), I was drivin' down the street and some asshole slammed on his brakes, naturally causing me to slam on mine. Out from under my passenger seat slides a copy of Misery that had probably been there for over a month at LEAST. I went FUCK and put it on my dash to return it and was expecting to pay at least fiddy in late fees (not TOO unusual for me back in my late 'teens/early 20's).
Ran a couple errands, then went to return the bitch and when I grabbed it, some of my skin actually stuck to the plastic case of the stupid flick!!! Like I touched a white-hot BBQ. I took my shirt and grabbed it off my dash and dropped it on the counter. The counter fag even had a hard time getting it out of the clear slide case. The whole thing looked like a bow-tie. I only remember him saying, "Boy, I hope you liked it, because you OWN it!" Oh, the horrors of the old tape-rental days. I could've put 20 kids through Ivy-League schools w/all the late fees I paid during them years. I still wanna puke thinkin' about it.
Hole In Face
05-28-2008, 03:50 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Damn, that's fucking awful. Can you actually beleive people paid that much for VHS? Insane. I remember when I was a kid and was looking around at movies and music at a Wherehouse and saw a copy of The Terminator for $99.99! Even as a dumb little kid I knew that was bullshit and then realized why all my dads movies were recorded and not the original copies with the case. lmao
The Sav
05-28-2008, 03:54 PM
I remember when CD players were $600 and the CD's were in the high 20's... and that was back in 1987 when the US dollar actually meant something.
Belasco
05-28-2008, 04:26 PM
VHS tapes were priced that way because Hollywood used to release movies for rental before they would go for sale to the general public. Some kind of deal was worked out with the studios and big rental companies to initially make the tapes cost prohibitive so that people would be forced to rent. The rental stores rarely had trouble re-couping the loss since they got volume discounts for their 15 - 20 copies on the "New Release" wall.
DVD mostly ended that. By the time DVD came around people had already amassed large VHS libraries and Hollywood realized that more money could be made on people upgrading their libraries. Money-grubbing bastards!
Booze
05-28-2008, 07:22 PM
The whole thing looked like a bow-tie. I only remember him saying, "Boy, I hope you liked it, because you OWN it!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Back when I was 16, way before the internet gave unlimited access to midget scat felching to every spotty adolescent, the only way I could get hold of porn was to wait my turn to borrow the battered old videos that did the rounds between me & my mates.
I remember that there were two vids in circulation, labelled Blackadder 1 & 2 as a cunning disguise to fool any nosey parent. Unfortunately, that facade crumbled somewhat when my mate Mark's mum came into his bedroom unannounced & found him rubbing one out to 'Blue Interview'. The tapes were confiscated & we entered the long porn drought of '89.
I was reduced to scanning the shelves of the videoshop opposite the Tesco supermarket where I worked after school for anything that had some knockers in it. If it had some kind of celebrity getting her baps out before she became famous, so much the better. One Tuesday, before I got the bus home, my eyes darted along the top shelf & hit paydirt.
That night, I felt a bit iffy & went to bed early. The next thing I know, I wake up in the morning, pouring with sweat, covered in spots & with a woman doctor standing over me in my bedroom. Chickenpox. I was confined to the house for 2 weeks. Great! Except for the fact that I had to get this soft porn flick back to the shop or incur late fees that I couldnt afford.
And so it came to pass that my mum ended up in a video shop in Leyton, paying a week & a half fine on that all time classic 'Superbitch', starring Stephanie Beacham. I don't think she even got 'em out in it.
Spooner
05-29-2008, 01:57 PM
Top-notch story, and a great new sig-line for Spooner. :tip:, sir.
My ex-dolly had a hardcore Irish/Catholic father who was a real ball-buster; we got along well for the whole seven-year stint and I always pranked hell outta the guy. Back when Cape Fear came out, he brought it home for the big movie night (the guy rarely rented). Afterwards, I took one of his blank video tapes and made a VHS computer label that said "Cat On a Hot Tin Anus" and stuck it in the Cape Fear case, and of course waited for the delayed laughs to ensue when he returned it.
Being a cheap sumbitch, he'd of course returned it the next day, but we heard NOTHING. I started to panic and asked, "Hey, did you ever return Cape Fear?" He goes, "Why? I dropped it in the night slot at Music Plus on the way to work yesterday morning." <gulp> MY dumb ass then had to fucking call the jerkoffs down there and explain the whole gag elst they'd charge his account and I wouldn't be such a funny daughter's boyfriend. Now *I* had to go down, grab the fake VHS tape, and hand them the real one. One kid said, "Yeah, we all saw that and were gonna put it on after work!" Well, that may've read like a three-day car drive, but fuck off--I'm entitled ta one just like the next asshole. :tip:
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