Global Warming

[Franks n Beans]

What is your opinion on global warming?

[Vako]

I'm of the opinion that global warming and cooling are cyclical. It is a natural process of the Earth.

[Fall-Tacular!]

I personally find it surprising that so many people still don't believe in this. There are signs that are visible even in the everyday. Like here in Colorado, how we don't actually have winter anymore.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

I could use some global warming up here. When it is 60 below you don't buy that global warming horseshit.

[Hole In Face]

I blame the jews and pollution... Pojewtion... Jewllution...

[Walter_Bellhaven]

I personally find it surprising that so many people still don't believe in this. There are signs that are visible even in the everyday. Like here in Colorado, how we don't actually have winter anymore.

That's because you live in the south Brainiac, even guys from alberta call you guys pussies.

[Sledge Hammer!]

I put limited creedence in what scientists, meteorologists, or whoever say anymore. For example all I heard about earlier this year was this upcoming hurricane season and all the unprecedented death and destruction Florida was going to face. The only 'cane we got was Ernesto and that was kite flying weather.

By the way Walter that Alaskan pipeline did not kill off all the caribou, did it?

[drjimsadler]

I put limited creedence in what scientists, meteorologists, or whoever say anymore. For example all I heard about earlier this year was this upcoming hurricane season and all the unprecedented death and destruction Florida was going to face. The only 'cane we got was Ernesto and that was kite flying weather.

By the way Walter that Alaskan pipeline did not kill off all the caribou, did it?

I was visiting Florida in August when Ernesto hit....what a whole lotta nothin'....(which....is a good thing but the hype behind it was incredible as it made its way up from Cuber)

Global warming, probably happening, not likely to be man-made....but Al Gore says the debate is over so I better get it right with that version of reality and buy me a Hybrid :gay:

[Cliff Pettigrew]

I'm of the opinion that global warming and cooling are cyclical. It is a natural process of the Earth.

Mega ditto's Vako.

In the 70's there was a push to stop global cooling. What the hell happened? Did we spend too much on cooling and reveresed the effect?:runaway:

[Booze]

Kensal Rise is about 15 miles away from my house. Its blowing a gale & rain is rattling my windows as I type this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weather/Story/0,,1966688,00.html

Six hurt as tornado strikes in London

Matt Weaver and agencies
Thursday December 7, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

At least six people were injured when a tornado swept through a residential street in north-west London this morning, tearing the roofs and walls off scores of houses.
The storm hit Chamberlayne Road, in Kensal Rise, at around 11am this morning. Eyewitnesses said the tornado lasted up to 40 seconds.

Colin Brewer, who lives in nearby Trevelyan Gardens, reported seeing trees collapsed in the road and people being hit on the head by flying objects, whiile Darma Vaja, who works close to the scene of the damage, said it was "like a minor explosion".

A spokesman for London Ambulance said six people were hurt. One man was taken to hospital with a head injury and five people were treated at the scene for minor injuries and shock.
Footage from a helicopter flying above the street showed part of the side of a house had collapsed into the road, partially covering a car parked outside. The footage shown on Sky News also showed several houses that had lost roofs.

Scotland Yard said the tornado had passed, but that the London Fire Brigade and ambulances were still Chamberlayne Road, which was closed.

Local resident Daniel Bidgood told radio station BBC London 94.9 said he was in his living room when he heard a big crack of lightning and thunder and heard a sound which he described as being "like standing behind a jetliner".

"I could see a huge cloud rolling up the street, making this tremendous sound," he said.

"I went to try to take a picture of it but a shower of debris smashed all the windows of my house."

Earlier a spokesman for London Ambulance Service said: "We have sent four ambulances, two fast response cars and two officers to the scene. We have also activated the helicopter emergency medical service, which carries a senior trauma-trained doctor and a paramedic."

A spokesman for weather forecaster MeteoGroup said a band of strong storms came through with Heathrow airport recording gusts of 55mph.

He said: "That is quite squally so residential areas might have had gusts of up to 60mph. That can cause some damage although it is hard to say at the moment whether it was definitely a tornado."

"From the damage it does look like it could be. It still seems to be very localised so it is either what is called a micro burst, a strong down burst of wind, or a tornado which is when the wind goes up."

Tim Klotz, who recently moved to the street, said the tornado had struck right in front of his house.

Mr Klotz said: "It was like some sort of cyclone. I was actually in an attic room, working at my desk on the computer, and there was heavy rain and sleet, and then the wind just really changed.

"I looked up through a skylight and debris was falling through the air. I heard what seemed like large, clay dominoes falling, which I think were roof tiles."

Until recently tornados were extremely rare in Britain. But in the last 18 months a number have arrived, prompting warnings that such freak weather events are likely to increase in frequency because of global warming.

In July 2005 a tornado in Birmingham damaged 1,000 buildings. And in October this year a tornado was reported just off Brighton, on the south coast.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

I put limited creedence in what scientists, meteorologists, or whoever say anymore. For example all I heard about earlier this year was this upcoming hurricane season and all the unprecedented death and destruction Florida was going to face. The only 'cane we got was Ernesto and that was kite flying weather.

By the way Walter that Alaskan pipeline did not kill off all the caribou, did it?

Pipelines don't kill caribou.......I do.

[Fall-Tacular!]

That's because you live in the south Brainiac, even guys from alberta call you guys pussies.

The south? Why not check the map again, it's called the fucking midwest. Don't let the chill take your sense or your balls, we wouldn't want that.

[CommunistaCow]

Given the horrendous hurricane season we just went through, just as the global warming whackjobs predicted, we ........

Oh wait, that didn't happen. Of course, the first Earth Day was organized to raise awareness of the looming ice age. But, that didn't happen either. So, who doesn't have credibility?

Seriously, while I'm sure human activity is adding to the cyclical changes, it is extremely arrogant to think that we have that much power over this planet.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Fort Collins is full of hillbilies who fuck their cousins and think they are tough guys, that sounds like the south to me, tough guy.

[Hole In Face]

Didn't the guy that created "Earth Day" brutaly murder his girlfriend? Just sayin'...


BTW - What's up with Walter Bellhaven having a boner for guys in Colorado and starting shit with them? First Robert L and now FT... :poke:

[Fall-Tacular!]

Fort Collins is full of hillbilies who fuck their cousins and think they are tough guys, that sounds like the south to me, tough guy.

Don't talk to me like I grew up with incest hounds, I was born in Minnesota, close enough to the border to see the Kanucks tearing ass across it and running over our God damn pets (I lost two cats that way). I remember winters cold enough to freeze a cup of coffee mid-flight. I go to school here man, that's it.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Don't talk to me like I grew up with incest hounds, I was born in Minnesota, close enough to the border to see you Kanucks tearing ass across it and run over our God damn pets (I lost two cats that way). I remember winters cold enough to freeze a cup of coffee mid-flight. I go to school here man, that's it.

Holy Christ, Minnesta got more pussies whining at it being -12 with the wind chill factor, not impressed tough guy.

[KungFuJesus]

Myth. It was fucking cold today.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Didn't the guy that created "Earth Day" brutaly murder his girlfriend? Just sayin'...


BTW - What's up with Walter Bellhaven having a boner for guys in Colorado and starting shit with them? First Robert L and now FT... :poke:

It's not Colorado, Robert is a dutch, I was just fuckin with FT.

[Ashy Larry]

I guess we found out our dumbass concensus for today. You guys are seriously brainwashed.

[Dr. P]

Hey, Ashy... Please let us all know the truth about global warming, then. If'n you don't mind.

[Ashy Larry]

It's happening, and you're going to feel like a jackass in twenty years if you doubt it.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

20 years ago we were headed to an Ige age. It's a bunch of horse shit.

[drjimsadler]

Didn't the guy that created "Earth Day" brutaly murder his girlfriend? Just sayin'...


BTW - What's up with Walter Bellhaven having a boner for guys in Colorado and starting shit with them? First Robert L and now FT... :poke:

Billy the Impaler used to make me laugh really hard with his posts...now it's Walter_Bellhaven bringin' the funny every GD time he posts...not sure if it's because of the avatar or the things he says with that avatar or how he manages to say such funny shit in ten words or less but he's pretty effin' funny (even if it sometimes has to be at the expense of some gloids here at SFJ)

[Verno]

20 years ago we were headed to an Ige age. It's a bunch of horse shit.

Twenty years ago we'd have you upside down with a fork up your ass!

(sorry couldn't resist, move along people)

[Hole In Face]

Billy the Impaler used to make me laugh really hard with his posts...now it's Walter_Bellhaven bringin' the funny every GD time he posts...not sure if it's because of the avatar or the things he says with that avatar or how he manages to say such funny shit in ten words or less but he's pretty effin' funny (even if it sometimes has to be at the expense of some gloids here at SFJ)


Nah, he just likes younger, rugged men in Colorado. \\:D/

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Nah, he just likes younger, rugged men in Colorado. \\:D/

Colorado is full of homo, You can't sling a dead cat without hitting 14 queers in Denver.

[Franks n Beans]

Colorado is full of homo, You can't sling a dead cat without hitting 14 queers in Denver.

There's a peculiar analogy.

[Fall-Tacular!]

Colorado is full of homo, You can't sling a dead cat without hitting 14 queers in Denver.

You really ought to come down here and get the facts straight. These days your cat'll be hitting 14 illegals. The gays have been chased to Loveland.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

There's a peculiar analogy.

Other then South Florida, it's just queer after queer, after spic after queer there.

[Franks n Beans]

Pretty soon they'll be building a mosk down the block.

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Nah, he just likes younger, rugged men in Colorado. \\:D/

Please stop sending me PMs and emails, I'm not gay, stop it. It was a joke, I don't want to go out with you Hole in Face.

[Hole In Face]

Please stop sending me PMs and emails, I'm not gay, stop it. It was a joke, I don't want to go out with you Hole in Face.


What if I e-mailed you some naked pics and sent you some used panties? Would that change your mind?

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Damn Is that what everyone on this site does?

[Cherokee]

I'm of the opinion that global warming and cooling are cyclical. It is a natural process of the Earth.


Vako is correct, it is proven, and recomended. For the fiathful, Biblical prophecy does not mention any of this hallaboola, but don't compare it to the great flood.
On a scientific level, it comes and goes, you can't control it. In twenty years our children (:pop: ) will be saying, hey dad/mom, ain't it cold out? Al Gore the second says it's global cooling, what do you say?
Point in fact.....

Cha-ching.\\:D/

[KungFuJesus]

Vako is correct, it is proven, and recomended. For the fiathful, Biblical prophecy does not mention any of this hallaboola, but don't compare it to the great flood.
On a scientific level, it comes and goes, you can't control it. In twenty years our children (:pop: ) will be saying, hey dad/mom, ain't it cold out? Al Gore the second says it's global cooling, what do you say?
Point in fact.....

Cha-ching.\\:D/

http://www.math.cudenver.edu/~wcherowi/sdr.gif

[Cherokee]

Oh, just the basics, pal :tipofthecap:

[Boyd]

Even if there is global warming, so what. I had rather have that than freezing my nutsack off.

I’d rather have global warming than global cooling any day. If you live in Hurricane Alley or Tsunami Territory, and you get off'ed because you ignore the evacuation warnings that’s called natural selection, not global warming.

And if global warming is really caused by fossil fuels, all the tree huggers say that all the fossil fuels will be gone in 50 years anyway, so who cares? I don’t.

[Cherokee]

The tree huggers would have to say: touche. Lonafide, you should be in political debates.
you get my kudos.

[Fall-Tacular!]

Man, I'm starting to think I'm the only one on the whole site who cares about this...

[Franks n Beans]

Man, I'm starting to think I'm the only one on the whole site who cares about this...

No way brutha...

[Walter_Bellhaven]

Man, I'm starting to think I'm the only one on the whole site who cares about this...

You are young, give it a few years and you will be jaded too.

[Jdiggity Dee]

Man, I'm starting to think I'm the only one on the whole site who cares about this...

The is a Peenman product for almost any eventuality. Have faith Fall-Tacular.

[Cliff Pettigrew]

Man, I'm starting to think I'm the only one on the whole site who cares about this...

You live in Colorado, you have an entire state of people that "care" about it.

I care about it, I just don't buy the hyperbole associated with it. I absolutely detest anyone that says "the debate is over on this" because it isn't.

You are young, be patient, in 20 years you will look back at how fearful you were bout the predictions made by "the science community" only to find out they were looking for money to study the problem further and more money to study ways to fix it. Meanwhile, your kids will be going on and on about some new imminent disaster that is about to befall the planet "if we don't act now!" And you will say that most of it is bull shit and they will quiver in the corner and with trembling lips, mouth the words "am I the only one that CARES?"

[CommunistaCow]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HURRICANE_PREDICTIONS?SITE=FLMYR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-12-08-10-22-29

Fresh on the heels of their successful 2006 predictions, the weather prognasticators go for the parlay in '07.

I feel like I need to contact these "experts" and have a Trooter moment with them. "You got a brother? I figure it runs in the family."

[Cliff Pettigrew]

I personally find it surprising that so many people still don't believe in this. There are signs that are visible even in the everyday. Like here in Colorado, how we don't actually have winter anymore.

Hey Shaggy, have you been out tanning in the warm Colorado sun this winter? (http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061221/NEWS01/612210328/1002) \\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/ \\:D/:poke:

Seriously dude, I hope you are O.K.

[123 Ass Kick Street]

I'm of the opinion that global warming and cooling are cyclical. It is a natural process of the Earth.

that.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Is global warming happening?

Yes. Listen guys. Just because it's still colder than a witch's tit in Alaska or in the Yukon or even in Minnesota, it doesn't mean there's no global warming. The key words are GLOBAL WARMING. Not local warming. What that means is that the mean average of the entire planet is getting warmer. Specifically the ocean's climate. And since the oceans make up most of said planet, this is where we get down to brass tax.

Fact... The polor ice caps are melting, which is not good. Fact... coral in the oceans are bleaching (dying) because the water is too warm. These same coral reefs are said to produce 80% of the world's breathable air supply. (Which is funny, because the tree huggers are worried about the fucking rain forest and we're just now finding out that the rain forest ain't nearly as inportant as the coral reefs).

Anyway. Global warming is happening. Do I think it's caused by man? Hell no. The Earth's climate has gotten way more extreme in the past and obviously the Earth is still habitable today.

Like Boyd said... What are they (the greenies) so worried about? They say petroleum is the cause of this, yet they also say it's going to run out in 50 years. So they oughta just ride the wave until it's over.

The bottom line is, people like Al Gore are starting to find out that being a "good stuard" of the Earth is very profitable. So... people like Al Gore are going to say whatever they can to convince you that bad things are happening on our planet, and we must act now to fix it. Right now it's global warming, in 50 years it will be top soil pollution or something related to the atomosphere or whatever they can drum up to get you to buy their book or rent their documentery or donate to their cause.

[The BYP]

Things that make me go hmm are when I hear things like "The Antarctic used to be tropical" or "We haven't seen weather patterns like this since...." I have no doubt global warming is occuring. I know that living in the NW we used to get snow every winter when I was a kid, now we're lucky to get a dusting. My problem is is there anything we can do about it since the earth itself is the biggest contributer to greenhouse gas by leaps and bounds over what humans produce.

[nate]

I was gonna make a big reply and then I got to what The Sav said and he already said it. Word.

So I don't know that's it for sure, but it's the best I can make out of it right now. Data is inconclusive.

[Franks n Beans]

Consider the amount of time that records of climate change have been recorded to the actual time climate has existed.

[Harpoontang]

Last time I checked Denver was in Colorado and they've got an airport there and it's been uh, like shut down because of global, uh warming? What are we gonna do when Colorado gets it's winters back? jeesh.

Dave Oliva

[MaleNurse]

Glad only 2 people are Al Gore fans in here

[St. Jimmy]

Some things we need to keep in mind when talking about global warming is that the earth goes through heating and cooling stages over time. We are corently in a warming stage, the problem is that human activity is speeding up the process.

[Franks n Beans]

I do not buy this crap


http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070202/D8N1BJ703.html

[Verno]

I do not buy this crap


http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070202/D8N1BJ703.html

Yeah, I find it hard to believe scientists too.

[Franks n Beans]

You think we caused it?

[Verno]

You think we caused it?

Meh, I was fucking with you. Sort of. I do believe we are speeding up its process. The facts are there. I don't think the solution is to be super radical, like some lobbyists are pushing for. Just a few tweaks here and there, some emissions restrictions, and we'd be golden. I put a lot more weight into what a scientist says as opposed to a politician. The phrase that was quoted in the article, "scientists by their nature are skeptics", says a lot. I understand that there are some scientists that don't believe it's happening, but an overwhelming majority of them do. So, in a summary, yes, I believe humankind's recent progressions in technology have hurt other things on our planet.

[Franks n Beans]

Agreed. But I do wonder who provides the funding for those Scientists.

[Verno]

Agreed. But I do wonder who provides the funding for those Scientists.

That many scientists? "An overwhelming majority" is too many to fund. I'd say the ones that would be funded by an external party would be the ones that disagree with it. There's more money to be made in global warming not happening that there is to be made if it is happening. Less electricity used, less fuel consumed, etc...

[Franks n Beans]

Oh well...I'm going to invest in a boat.

[nate]

Someone sent this to me, a surprisingly well written and convincing article against global warming:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/resisting_global_warming_panic.html

I'm still in the Coach Dozier camp on this'n though.

[The BYP]

I'm still in the "I believe it's happening, just not sure if we can do anything about it" camp.

[Franks n Beans]

So. How long will it be before we start talking about global cooling? Again.

[Franks n Beans]

http://newsbusters.org/node/10606

[The BYP]

http://newsbusters.org/node/10606

Not that this has anything to do with the story but....

Frozen waves in Newfoundland (http://www.break.com/index/newfoundland_frozen_waves.html)

[Taco Teo]

Given it is -7 (feels like -27 with the windchill) in my hometown right now I'm not a very firm believer in global warming at this point in time.

[AB]

Given it is -7 (feels like -27 with the windchill) in my hometown right now I'm not a very firm believer in global warming at this point in time.

Come on now, facts are facts. If it wasn't for global warming, it would be like, ummmm, I don't know, -12.

[The Dude]

I look forward to the day I can walk outside with an egg in a frying pan and in 2 minute I got me a pan of delicious sunny side up goodness. Think about it, we would n't need to do shit to our food on acoounta the cow being boiled right there in the field...popcorn on the stalk...the possibilities are endless. So, fuck all you lefty, greenie pussies and come on Global Catastrophe!

[Spooner]

There ain't none.

/thread

[Dr. P]

Um, there is... I don't think for a second we cause it, but there is global warming. It's like evolution; you can't prove it (or certainly disprove other thoughts) but all the scientific evidence and data show we're on a global warming cycle. It's a shame the leftists hop on this (probably natural) trend and point fingers at humans and our lifestyles for being the culprit.

[Boyd]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/2927/104959glk5.jpg

The Walrus doesn't know, the Walrus doesn't care, man!

[Spooner]

I just recalled this quote. Seems like the right place for it:

"There's a lot of differing data about global warming, but as far as I can gather, over the last hundred years the temperature on this planet has gone up 1.8 degrees. Am I the only one who finds that amazingly stable? I could go back to my hotel room tonight and fuck with the thermostat for three to four hours. I couldn't detect that difference."

[Jdiggity Dee]

Mark Steyn tends to make a lot of sense out of confusing/obfuscated subjects and often with some humor:


What's so hot about fickle science?
(http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/241518,CST-EDT-STEYN04.article)

February 4, 2007

BY MARK STEYN Sun-Times Columnist

From the "Environmental News Network": "Science Is Solid on Climate Change, Congress Told." "The science is solid," says Louise Frechette, deputy secretary-general of the United Nations.

"The science is solid," says Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

"The science is really solid," says TV meteorologist Heidi Cullen. "The science is very solid."

And at that point, on "Larry King Live" last week, Richard Lindzen, professor of atmospheric science at MIT, remarked: "Heidi says the science is solid and I can't criticize her because she never says what science she's talking about."

Indeed. If the science is so solid, maybe they could drag it out to the Arctic for the poor polar bears to live on now that the ice is melting faster than a coed's heart at an Al Gore lecture.

Alas, the science isn't so solid. In the '70s, it was predicting a new ice age. Then it switched to global warming. Now it prefers "climate change." If it's hot, that's a sign of "climate change." If it's cold, that's a sign of "climate change." If it's 53 with sunny periods and light showers, you need to grab an overnight bag and get outta there right now because "climate change" is accelerating out of control.

The silliest argument is the anecdotal one: "You only have to look outside your window to see that climate change is happening." Outside my window in northern New England last week, it was minus 20 Fahrenheit. Very cold. Must be the old climate change kicking in, right? After all, December was very mild. Which was itself a sign of climate change. A few years ago, the little old lady who served as my town's historian for many decades combed over the farmers' diaries from two centuries ago that various neighbors had donated to her: From the daily records of 15 Januarys, she concluded that three were what we'd now regard as classic New Hampshire winters, ideal for lumbering or winter sports; eight had January thaws, and four had no snow at all. This was in the pre-industrial 18th century.

Today, faced with eight thaws and four entirely snowless Januarys, we'd all be running around shrieking that the great Gaia is displeased. Wake up and smell the CO2, people! We need to toss another virgin into the volcano. A virgin SUV, that is. Brand-new model, straight off the assembly line, cupholders never been used. And as the upholstery howls in agony, we natives will stand around chanting along with High Priestess Natalie Cole's classic recording: ''Unsustainable, that's what you are.''

As we say in the north country, if you don't like the weather, wait five minutes. And if you don't like the global weather, wait three decades. For the last century or so, the planet has gone through very teensy-weensy warming trends followed by very teensy-weensy cooling trends followed by very teensy-weensy warming trends, every 30 years or so. And, even when we're in a pattern of "global warming" or "global cooling," the phenomenon is not universally observed -- i.e., it's not "global," or even very local. In the Antarctic, the small Palmer peninsula has got a little warmer but the main continent is colder. Up north, the western Arctic's a little warmer but the eastern Arctic's colder. So, if you're an eastern polar bear, you're in clover -- metaphorically, I hasten to add. If you're a western polar bear, you'll be in clover literally in a year or two, according to Al Gore.

And, if you really don't like the global weather, wait half-a-millennium. A thousand years ago, the Arctic was warmer than it is now. Circa 982, Erik the Red and a bunch of other Vikings landed in Greenland and thought, "Wow! This land really is green! Who knew?" So they started farming it, and were living it up for a couple of centuries. Then the Little Ice Age showed up, and they all died. A terrible warning to us all about "unsustainable development": If a few hundred Vikings doing a little light hunter-gathering can totally unbalance the environment, imagine the havoc John Edwards' new house must be wreaking.

The question is whether what's happening now is just the natural give and take of the planet, as Erik the Red and my town's early settlers understood it. Or whether it's something so unprecedented that we need to divert vast resources to a transnational elite bureaucracy so that they can do their best to cripple the global economy and deny much of the developing world access to the healthier and longer lives that capitalism brings. To the eco-chondriacs that's a no-brainer. As Mark Fenn of the Worldwide Fund for Nature says in the new documentary ''Mine Your Own Business'':

''In Madagascar, the indicators of quality of life are not housing. They're not nutrition, specifically. They're not health in a lot of cases. It's not education. A lot of children in Fort Dauphin do not go to school because the parents don't consider that to be important. . . . People have no jobs, but if I could put you with a family and you could count how many times in a day that that family smiles. Then I put you with a family well off, in New York or London, and you count how many times people smile. . . . You tell me who is rich and who is poor."

Well, if smiles are the measure of quality of life, I'm Bill Gates; I'm laughing my head off. Male life expectancy in Madagascar is 52.5 years. But Mark Fenn is right: Those l'il malnourished villagers sure look awful cute dancing up and down when the big environmentalist activist flies in to shoot the fund-raising video.

If "global warming" is real and if man is responsible, why then do so many "experts" need to rely on obviously fraudulent data? The famous "hockey stick" graph showed the planet's climate history as basically one long bungalow with the Empire State Building tacked on the end. Completely false. In evaluating industrial impact, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change used GDP estimates based on exchange rates rather than purchasing power: As a result, they assume by the year 2100 that not only South Africans but also North Koreans will have a higher per capita income than Americans. That's why the climate-change computer models look scary. That's how "solid" the science is: It's predicated on the North Korean economy overtaking the United States.

Could happen. Who knows?

But that's the point: Who knows? You could take every dime spent by every government and NGO and eco-group to investigate "climate change" and spend it on Internet porn instead, and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to what the climate will be in 2050.

However, it would make a dramatic difference to the lifestyle of the "climate change" jet set. Which is why, even before latest new IPCC doomsday scenario was released, the Associated Press was running stories like: "New Climate Report Too Rosy, Experts Say." The AP's "science writer" warns that even this "dire report" is the "sugarcoated version." It's insufficiently hysterical, in every sense.

© Mark Steyn 2007

[Dr. P]

:rofl: Methinks Billy might have quoted me arguing the other side of this bitch!
Billy the Impaler: a man so mean he once shot himself just fer snorin'! :thumbsup:

[The Dude]

JonD what the hell kinda crack you smoking to think anyone is going to read all that?

Put it in two sentences, with no commas, summing that freakin' book up...

...then get me some bean dip, bitch.

[AB]

HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM
HEARING NOTICE
Tue Feb 13 2007 19:31:25 ET

The Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The hearing is entitled “Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?”

The hearing will be rescheduled to a date and time to be announced later.

DC WEATHER REPORT:

Wednesday: Freezing rain in the morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. Ice accumulation of less than one quarter of an inch. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds around 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Lows around 18. Northwest winds around 20 mph.


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[nate]

lmao lmao lmao lmao lmao

[mysticllama]

Drudge rules for putting stuff about snow and ice next to stuff on global warming, he's been doing that shit all winter. :rofl:

[Franks n Beans]

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/16764796.htm

[The BYP]

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/news/local/16764796.htm



http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/668/2004algorepn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The BYP]

What about the Children? (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=24717)

[Jdiggity Dee]

What about the Children? (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=24717)

'whatabouttheCHILDREN'
anagrams to
'The adorable witch-hunt.'
http://anagramgenius.com/server.php?source_text=WhatabouttheCHILDREN&emphasis=1&gender=2&vulgar=1&seen=true

[Jdiggity Dee]

mere skepticism of global warming
upsets bearded jewelry wearing Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_DSuzuki.jpg


David Suzuki vs. Michael Crichton

Barbara Kay
National Post

Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Last Thursday, environmentalist guru David Suzuki stormed out of a Toronto AM640 radio interview with host John Oakley because Oakley dared to suggest that global warming might not be the "totally settled issue" Suzuki insisted it was.

Oakley only reported a fact: Many accredited scientists -- some full professors from top universities, including Nobel prize winners and a former president of the National Academy of Sciences -- would argue that "global warning is at best unproven and at worst pure fantasy," according to novelist and independent scientific researcher Michael Crichton, author of the best-selling 2004 environmental techno-thriller, State of Fear.

Crichton, one of the first to expand on the theme of environmentalism-as-religion, would doubtless see Suzuki's gesture as a result of confusion of his role as environmental advocate with that of chief of Morals Police. Suzuki's very public censure of Oakley for his perceived blasphemy is disquieting because it smacks of the totalitarian impulse to silence and humiliate the dissenter --or even, as in this case, the dissenter's messenger.

Suzuki keeps high-profile company in his tendency to suppress environmental infidels. Al Gore called skeptics "global warming deniers," evoking (if only unintentionally) invidious and fallacious comparison with Holocaust denial. Rejecting the historical record of what has actually happened in the past is one thing ; expressing skepticism about events that are predicted to happen in the future on the basis of computer simulations is quite another. But once you get into the realm of reigning ideologies, such rational distinctions fall by the wayside. The object is to shame the one who questions the received wisdom.

Suzuki would have better served his cause if he had addressed skeptics' actual concerns. Such as:

- Why was climatologist James Hansen -- the father of global warming--off by 200% in his prediction that temperatures would increase by 0.35 degrees Celsius by 2008 (the actual increase has been .11 degrees); and why did he (and colleagues) say in 2001 that "the longterm prediction of future climate states is not possible"?

- Of the world's 160,000 glaciers, some are shrinking. But many --in Iceland, for example --have "surged" in the last few years, while most of Antarctica is getting colder; if warming is "global," why?

- Why haven't sea levels risen to the extent predicted? Why have the waters off the Maldive Islands in the Indian Ocean not only experienced no rise over several centuries, but an actual fall in the last 20 years?

- Where is the predicted "extreme weather?" There has been no global increase, and in many cases a decrease, of extreme weather patterns.

- From 1940-70, carbon dioxide levels went way up, but temperatures went down so abruptly that a new Ice Age was the prevailing fear; wherefore this disparity?

- The Sahara Desert is shrinking--purportedly due to the greening effects caused by man-made global warming; but isn't the greening of the desert a good thing? I know to ask these questions only because I've read State of Fear. And as the environmental hysteria burgeons, I continue to press the book on everyone I know. Forget the silly (but riveting) plot, which is to the embedded environmental science in the novel as blini to caviar. You cannot read State of Fear with an open mind and continue to believe global warming is a "totally settled issue."

Nor should readers be put off by Crichton's status as a "mere" novelist. Crichton's scientific research on environmental issues is so impressive he was invited to address the U.S. Senate's Committee on Environment and Public Works. Even Crichton's most frenzied critics (the Los Angeles Times called State of Fear "the first neocon novel") did not repudiate his peer reviewed, impeccably sourced data.

Amongst the hundreds of books, journal articles and scientific reports in his bibliography, (no mention of Suzuki, strangely), Crichton lists every publication of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change since its formation. He has read them all, and in the end humbly "guesses" -- the most one can do -- that we are experiencing mild warming, possibly more beneficial than harmful.

The remorseless pressure on Canadians to sign up for environmental orthodoxies that they are not cognitively equipped to judge is demoralizing and divisive. Tantrums by self anointed prophets do not help the situation. Whatever the eventual outcome on the global warming front, we could all use a little non-partisanship, maturity and attitudinal cooling on the behavioural front.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/columnists/story.html?id=55f4dc45-f308-4b34-80af-011a0cf38fed&p=1

Here is Michael Crichton http://wiredforbooks.org/images/MichaelCrichtonpage.jpg

[Dr. P]

Yeah, we all loved him in Karate Kid, but no way I get my science from that guy.

[Franks n Beans]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20070306-122226-6282r.htm


LONDON -- With a packet of claims that are almost certain to defy conventional wisdom, a television documentary to be aired in Britain this week condemns man-made global warming as a myth that has become "the biggest scam of modern times."

[CommunistaCow]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20070306-122226-6282r.htm

FnB, that documentary will never see the light of day in the US. The global warming whackos are becoming such extreme fascists here, that to even question the so-called experts is tantamount to heresy.

[Franks n Beans]

You're right cow and it's most likely because the average citizen don't give a rats ass.

[Hole In Face]

:rap: :heartbeat: :rap:

[Heap]

FnB, that documentary will never see the light of day in the US. The global warming whackos are becoming such extreme fascists here, that to even question the so-called experts is tantamount to heresy.

Yeah, the best example of those dumbasses' take on global warming is: "well yeah the Kyoto Protocol probably won't work, but we should sign it to make it look like we're trying."

](*,)

[Mr. Irrelevant]

:tipofthecap: :pop: :tipofthecap:

[Verno]

http://community.racingone.com/emoticons/jack.gif

[Mr. Irrelevant]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6880/turdmuncherlu7.gif :poop:

[Boyd]

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2598/sunza1.gif

:wah: :wah: :wah::wah:

[Hole In Face]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6428/punchvaginaro6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Cliff Pettigrew]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/bfd2.gif

[Jdiggity Dee]

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

1 1/4 hr off UK Channel 4

Not safe for Al Gore to View (NSFAGTV)

[Cliff Pettigrew]

The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638

1 1/4 hr off UK Channel 4

Not safe for Al Gore to View (NSFAGTV)

I just finished watching. This needs to be shown immediately after Al Gore's movie in every school to make a fair presentation. IT makes much more sense than the standard global warming kool aid theory I hear on a daily basis.

[nate]

Some actual scientific debunking of the above documentary:

http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=83

The global warming debate makes my head spin.

[Boyd]

Some actual scientific debunking of the above documentary:

http://www.jri.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=83

The global warming debate makes my head spin.

No offense Nate, but that source you cite is a Christian think tank.


The John Ray Initiative (JRI) is an educational charity with a vision to bring together scientific and Christian understandings of the environment in a way that can be widely communicated and lead to effective action.


I've never found hardcore Christians to be the most objective scientists.

[nate]

Damn, I'm usually better at checking sources. Although the guy is a top investigator in the IPCC so he's not unqualified. I'd like to see responses to his scientific points, the same way he's done with the documentary.

Most criticisms of the documentary were ad hominem, this was the only one I found with actual scientific arguments.

[Jdiggity Dee]

I never saw the Al Gore's film but from the excerpts I've seen he's got a histrionic fit of a film full of emotive nonesense. Now I've found a transcript.

http://forumpolitics.com/blogs/2007/03/17/an-inconvient-truth-transcript/

Thus far my opinion is unchanged.

[Heap]

I never saw the Al Gore's film but from the excerpts I've seen he's got a histrionic fit of a film full of emotive nonesense. Now I've found a transcript.

http://forumpolitics.com/blogs/2007/03/17/an-inconvient-truth-transcript/

Thus far my opinion is unchanged.

Yeah, I read his global warming book (well at least as much as I could handle) for a class in college. My sister's boyfriend brought the movie over to my parents' house around X-Mas time when we were all over for dinner...and from the bits and pieces of the Goracle flick I accidentally walked in on, it was largely the same shit repeated.

[Jdiggity Dee]

It's frightening that a college would require reading a book on climate by someone with no earned qualification in any science. Did you look at the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle off the UK's Channel 4 at

http://video.google.com/url?docid=4340135300469846467&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=global+warming+swindle&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D4340135300469846467%26q%3Dglob al%2Bwarming%2Bswindle&usg=AL29H22tlNaZmb4_5uR8gzxlcUNCC97MSA

b/c it's a very different look at the climate models?

[Franks n Beans]

Fuck Global warming. I need new tires and i'm just gonna burn the old ones in the ball field down the street.

[Heap]

It's frightening that a college would require reading a book on climate by someone with no earned qualification in any science. Did you look at the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle off the UK's Channel 4 at

http://video.google.com/url?docid=4340135300469846467&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=global+warming+swindle&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D4340135300469846467%26q%3Dglob al%2Bwarming%2Bswindle&usg=AL29H22tlNaZmb4_5uR8gzxlcUNCC97MSA

b/c it's a very different look at the climate models?

It wasn't required, I just needed to review a book with an environmental theme. Don't ask me why, but I picked it. I'll check out that vid tomorrow...

[Don Berman]

Nothing is constant on this planet. Everything changes and we as humans do not have the capability to alter this.

[CommunistaCow]

Fuck the Gork, and all of his sycophantic douchebag wingnuts. It's April 14th, and Houston currently has a wind chill in the 40's.

[the deta]

Yea and its going to snow here tonight. The Climate Change group would have been smarter to push global cooling on us. People seem to hate the cold so much more.

[Franks n Beans]

These people are fucked up. Now global warming causes less hurricanes.


Maybe global warming isn't spawning more powerful hurricanes, after all.

A new study conducted by two atmospheric experts, one at the University of Miami, has found that global warming is producing increasingly stronger wind shear over the Atlantic, and that might hinder hurricane formation.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-417windshear,0,7071474.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

[Heap]

Fuck the Gork, and all of his sycophantic douchebag wingnuts. It's April 14th, and Houston currently has a wind chill in the 40's.

Jesus, Cow. You really like the term "sycophant." Don't you?
:poke:

[CommunistaCow]

Jesus, Cow. You really like the term "sycophant." Don't you?
:poke:

And, when used in the proper context, the problem?

You middlefinger sycophantic nutcase! :thumbsup:

[Dr. P]

Nothing is constant on this planet. Everything changes and we as humans do not have the capability to alter this.

Well, that's not accurate. By every decent scientist's account, the greenhouse effect is very real and carbon emmisions do have a measurable impact on the ozone layer. That said, Any scientist who claims that global warming is entirely a man-made problem is in someone's pocket and full of shit. :tipofthecap: